[Talk-GB] sport=soccer not sport=football.

[Jez Nicholson]

Ah yes 'soccer' as a corruption of 'Association' to distinguish it from the
other football, 'rugger'. Very timely. A good example of a tag that has
gained common usage although being incorrect English. I play a lot of
football and it burns to call it soccer, but needs must.

What is the general consensus on fixing tags?
On Mon, 13 Jun 2016 at 02:06, Warin <61sundowner at gmail.com> wrote:

> This arises out of my edits targeting sport=football and trying to
> resolve these into a 'good' value.  'SomeoneElse' suggest this should be
> discussed here. Well ok.
> The discussion may disintegrate into 2 things - 'soccer is an
> Americanism' and 'football is common usage'.
>
> ---------------------------- Americanism?
>
> Apparently 'soccer' comes from Oxford, England ...
>
> http://www.todayifoundout.com/index.php/2010/06/the-origin-of-the-word-soccer/
>
> So not an Americanism.
>
> ---------------------- Common Usage.  My view.
> I will support and defend the use of British English.
> I will support precision in tagging terminology.
> I do not support confusion.
>
> The term 'football' is confusing in world terms (ref
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Football_(word)) and I cannot support it
> use.
> And the term 'soccer' is recognised in British English ...
> http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/soccer "A form of
> football..."
> Thus a more precise word to use compared to 'football'
> http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/football "Any of
> various forms of team game involving kicking..."
> Thus 'football' encompasses many games.
> The term soccer is precise, well understood (in both British and world
> terms) and should be used. Precision before what some claim is 'common
> use' for me.
>
> (If you question my support of British English see
>   http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Tag:sport%3Dshot-put .. and
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Jewellery_shop)
>
> ---------------------------- OSM Usage - to demonstrate British majority
> agreement.
>
> Some samples using overpass turbo .
> (Chose a small area so it does not time out - particularly for soccer, I
> picked these at random to give a sample .. feel free to do your own)
> http://overpass-turbo.eu/
> Use the wizard enter 'sport=football' and then run, repeat with wizard
> 'sport=soccer' - numerical results at bottom right of the screen.
> Results:
> London area ~200 football ~10,000 soccer
> Birmingham area ~16 football ~2,400 soccer
> Liverpool-Manchester area ~130 football ~6,600 soccer
> Glasgow- Edinburgh area ~80 football ~6,500 soccer
>
> The vast majority use soccer!  Say ~98% soccer and ~2% football.
> I would think there is a majority support for sport=soccer here too.
>
> ------------------------------------ What I think should be done.
> There is a small improvement to OSM data consistency and understanding
> to be had by looking at all the features using the tag
> sport=football
> and changing it to
> sport=soccer
> where it can be determined that the sport is actually soccer.
> Where that cannot be determined a fixme tag could be placed to indicate
> further work.
> I am not proposing some automated edit ... each needs to be 'looked at'
> visually by a human!
>
>
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