[Talk-GB] sport=soccer not sport=football.

[Dan S]

Hi,

I advocate British terminology, and it's very clear that British
English is the standard for OSM. However


Dan


2016-06-13 7:06 GMT+01:00 Jez Nicholson <jez.nicholson at gmail.com>:
> Ah yes 'soccer' as a corruption of 'Association' to distinguish it from the
> other football, 'rugger'. Very timely. A good example of a tag that has
> gained common usage although being incorrect English. I play a lot of
> football and it burns to call it soccer, but needs must.
>
> What is the general consensus on fixing tags?
>
> On Mon, 13 Jun 2016 at 02:06, Warin <61sundowner at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> This arises out of my edits targeting sport=football and trying to
>> resolve these into a 'good' value.  'SomeoneElse' suggest this should be
>> discussed here. Well ok.
>> The discussion may disintegrate into 2 things - 'soccer is an
>> Americanism' and 'football is common usage'.
>>
>> ---------------------------- Americanism?
>>
>> Apparently 'soccer' comes from Oxford, England ...
>>
>> http://www.todayifoundout.com/index.php/2010/06/the-origin-of-the-word-soccer/
>>
>> So not an Americanism.
>>
>> ---------------------- Common Usage.  My view.
>> I will support and defend the use of British English.
>> I will support precision in tagging terminology.
>> I do not support confusion.
>>
>> The term 'football' is confusing in world terms (ref
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Football_(word)) and I cannot support it
>> use.
>> And the term 'soccer' is recognised in British English ...
>> http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/soccer "A form of
>> football..."
>> Thus a more precise word to use compared to 'football'
>> http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/football "Any of
>> various forms of team game involving kicking..."
>> Thus 'football' encompasses many games.
>> The term soccer is precise, well understood (in both British and world
>> terms) and should be used. Precision before what some claim is 'common
>> use' for me.
>>
>> (If you question my support of British English see
>>   http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Tag:sport%3Dshot-put .. and
>> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Jewellery_shop)
>>
>> ---------------------------- OSM Usage - to demonstrate British majority
>> agreement.
>>
>> Some samples using overpass turbo .
>> (Chose a small area so it does not time out - particularly for soccer, I
>> picked these at random to give a sample .. feel free to do your own)
>> http://overpass-turbo.eu/
>> Use the wizard enter 'sport=football' and then run, repeat with wizard
>> 'sport=soccer' - numerical results at bottom right of the screen.
>> Results:
>> London area ~200 football ~10,000 soccer
>> Birmingham area ~16 football ~2,400 soccer
>> Liverpool-Manchester area ~130 football ~6,600 soccer
>> Glasgow- Edinburgh area ~80 football ~6,500 soccer
>>
>> The vast majority use soccer!  Say ~98% soccer and ~2% football.
>> I would think there is a majority support for sport=soccer here too.
>>
>> ------------------------------------ What I think should be done.
>> There is a small improvement to OSM data consistency and understanding
>> to be had by looking at all the features using the tag
>> sport=football
>> and changing it to
>> sport=soccer
>> where it can be determined that the sport is actually soccer.
>> Where that cannot be determined a fixme tag could be placed to indicate
>> further work.
>> I am not proposing some automated edit ... each needs to be 'looked at'
>> visually by a human!
>>
>>
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