[Talk-GB] sport=soccer not sport=football.

[Dan S]

2016-06-13 8:16 GMT+01:00 Dan S <danstowell+osm at gmail.com>:
> Hi,
>
> I advocate British terminology, and it's very clear that British
> English is the standard for OSM. However

...ahem, however, the wiki is perfectly clear about why we use "soccer":
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:sport%3Dsoccer
(second para)

and the reasoning is eminently sensible.

Cheers
Dan



> 2016-06-13 7:06 GMT+01:00 Jez Nicholson <jez.nicholson at gmail.com>:
>> Ah yes 'soccer' as a corruption of 'Association' to distinguish it from the
>> other football, 'rugger'. Very timely. A good example of a tag that has
>> gained common usage although being incorrect English. I play a lot of
>> football and it burns to call it soccer, but needs must.
>>
>> What is the general consensus on fixing tags?
>>
>> On Mon, 13 Jun 2016 at 02:06, Warin <61sundowner at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> This arises out of my edits targeting sport=football and trying to
>>> resolve these into a 'good' value.  'SomeoneElse' suggest this should be
>>> discussed here. Well ok.
>>> The discussion may disintegrate into 2 things - 'soccer is an
>>> Americanism' and 'football is common usage'.
>>>
>>> ---------------------------- Americanism?
>>>
>>> Apparently 'soccer' comes from Oxford, England ...
>>>
>>> http://www.todayifoundout.com/index.php/2010/06/the-origin-of-the-word-soccer/
>>>
>>> So not an Americanism.
>>>
>>> ---------------------- Common Usage.  My view.
>>> I will support and defend the use of British English.
>>> I will support precision in tagging terminology.
>>> I do not support confusion.
>>>
>>> The term 'football' is confusing in world terms (ref
>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Football_(word)) and I cannot support it
>>> use.
>>> And the term 'soccer' is recognised in British English ...
>>> http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/soccer "A form of
>>> football..."
>>> Thus a more precise word to use compared to 'football'
>>> http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/football "Any of
>>> various forms of team game involving kicking..."
>>> Thus 'football' encompasses many games.
>>> The term soccer is precise, well understood (in both British and world
>>> terms) and should be used. Precision before what some claim is 'common
>>> use' for me.
>>>
>>> (If you question my support of British English see
>>>   http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Tag:sport%3Dshot-put .. and
>>> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Jewellery_shop)
>>>
>>> ---------------------------- OSM Usage - to demonstrate British majority
>>> agreement.
>>>
>>> Some samples using overpass turbo .
>>> (Chose a small area so it does not time out - particularly for soccer, I
>>> picked these at random to give a sample .. feel free to do your own)
>>> http://overpass-turbo.eu/
>>> Use the wizard enter 'sport=football' and then run, repeat with wizard
>>> 'sport=soccer' - numerical results at bottom right of the screen.
>>> Results:
>>> London area ~200 football ~10,000 soccer
>>> Birmingham area ~16 football ~2,400 soccer
>>> Liverpool-Manchester area ~130 football ~6,600 soccer
>>> Glasgow- Edinburgh area ~80 football ~6,500 soccer
>>>
>>> The vast majority use soccer!  Say ~98% soccer and ~2% football.
>>> I would think there is a majority support for sport=soccer here too.
>>>
>>> ------------------------------------ What I think should be done.
>>> There is a small improvement to OSM data consistency and understanding
>>> to be had by looking at all the features using the tag
>>> sport=football
>>> and changing it to
>>> sport=soccer
>>> where it can be determined that the sport is actually soccer.
>>> Where that cannot be determined a fixme tag could be placed to indicate
>>> further work.
>>> I am not proposing some automated edit ... each needs to be 'looked at'
>>> visually by a human!
>>>
>>>
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