[Talk-GB] Should a place be tagged with a node or area?

[Brian Prangle]

Hmmmm - that's one way I hadn't thought of. I was thinking of just adding a
tag to each boundary relation to indicate membership status along the lines
of west_midlands_combined_authority= constituent_member or
non-constituent_member as appropriate. It should work just as well and
won't fry my brain in trying to build a relation of that complexity

Counties might not be officially required but trying filling in an online
address form and see where it gets you if you omit county!

And what admin status should we give to Local Economic Partnerships?  My
inclination is not to bother mapping them as boundaries but to add tags as
above along the lines of LEP= name

On 10 February 2017 at 09:45, Colin Smale <colin.smale at xs4all.nl> wrote:

> Brian, isn't the geographical jurisdiction of the WMCA just the sum of the
> areas of the (non-) constituent members? How about using a relation
> containing the member authorities, with different roles to indicate
> constituent and non-constituent status? This model will allow for
> non-consituent members to be in multiple Combined Authorities.
>
> Counties are never required in postal addresses these days - and where
> they were used, Royal Mail had its own idea of "counties"...
>
> //colin
>
>
>
> On 2017-02-10 10:23, Brian Prangle wrote:
>
> Hi everyone
>
> I've just added a relation for the boundary of the new West Midlands
> Cominbined Authority <https://westmidlandscombinedauthority.org.uk/>
> (which is the same as the old ceremonial West Midlands County, which I've
> left intact as it's still used I believe where postal addresses still
> insist on a county and I can't think that the postal address for one minute
> is going to change to West Midlands Combined Authority). My question is how
> do I cope with non-constituent authorties?
>
> Non-constituent members can sign up to more than one combined authority
> and have less voting rights than constituent members. The non-constituent
> authorities for the West Midlands Combined Authority are:
>
>    - Cannock Chase District Council <https://www.cannockchasedc.gov.uk/>
>    - Nuneaton and Bedworth Borough Council
>    <https://www.nuneatonandbedworth.gov.uk/>
>    - Redditch Borough Council <http://www.redditchbc.gov.uk/>
>    - Tamworth Borough Council
>    <http://www.tamworth.gov.uk/tamworth-join-planned-west-midlands-combined-authority>
>    - Telford and Wrekin Council
>    <http://www.telford.gov.uk/news/article/3085/councils_decision_on_west_midlands_combined_authority>
>
> Regards
>
> Brian
>
> On 10 February 2017 at 08:33, Colin Smale <colin.smale at xs4all.nl> wrote:
>
>> Hi Adam,
>>
>> The trouble with the UK is that places don't have clear boundaries...
>>
>> 1) on the administrative side there are Civil Parishes, but large parts
>> of the country are "unparished" and some parishes contain multiple
>> "settlements"
>>
>> 2) Royal Mail have completely different ideas, which are for their own
>> convenience and frequently conflict with the admin boundaries
>>
>> 3) (my suspicion) people identify with their location using other
>> criteria - spontaneous answers to "what place do you live in" will show a
>> great variation "around the edges" of a place
>>
>> Not sure if the National Gazetteer (which focuses on addresses) tries to
>> define boundaries to named places...
>>
>>
>> All in all, if we have boundaries for places, they are going to have to
>> allow for fuzzy edges and overlaps.
>>
>> I suppose it all starts with "what do you mean by place"?
>>
>> //colin
>>
>> On 2017-02-10 00:48, Adam Snape wrote:
>>
>> Thanks Phil,
>>
>> Our local place mapping must be quite primitive, because few place
>> boundaries are mapped. Do you mean that both the boundary and node should
>> carry the place=tag? Where there isn't a clear boundary to the place,
>> should the mapper estimate it? Glad to hear I've been putting the nodes in
>> the right place anyway :)
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Adam
>>
>> --------------------
>>
>> Normally places are mapped with both a boundary and node.
>>
>> A node is certainly needed for navigation and should be somewhere
>> sensible, normally the centre is where someone who puts the placename into
>> a satnav would expect to end up, rather than a housing estate in the
>> geographical centre.
>>
>> Phil (trigpoint)
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