[Talk-GB] Named landuse polygons

[Warin]

On 18-Jan-17 01:23 AM, SK53 wrote:
> I do use these from time to time. My usual use cases are:
>
>   * Small named estates of social housing. These are common throughout
>     Greater London and the name is usually shown on boards around the
>     perimeter of each estate. Even for ones without such boards there
>     is often good evidence for the name (for instance Municpal Dreams'
>     blog on social housing often uses them). Conceivably these could
>     also be tagged place=neighbourhood, but I think that may be
>     misleading as they will usually be described as XXX Estate, YYY
>     Suburb.
>   * Student Villages. Gated sets of apartment blocks marketed to
>     students only. Although a fairly recent innovation in the UK, they
>     often represent a significant, and historically interesting
>     development. These I also tag residential=student_village. There
>     are at least 5 within a mile of here.
>   * Very well defined, named residential areas too small to be a
>     suburb. A pretty unusual occurrence because unlike the two cases
>     above boundaries are often subjective. In many cases these will be
>     discrete housing developments (private or social) which retain an
>     identity. Often the name will be a local_name, such as Sterling
>     Homes Estate, or the Wimpy Estate. A good example would be the
>     'Bomber Estate' in Maidenhead
>     <https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/24992892>. Again I tend to
>     avoid neighbourhood because what defines these places is often
>     just commonality of building types and time of the development.
>   * Retail Parks & Shopping Centres.
>   * Industrial Estates & Business Parks.
>   * Farm names on landuse=farmyard. I much prefer this to place=farm.
>     I also often exclude the similarly named original farm house as
>     these are increasingly not part of the farm itself. Even if the
>     owner of the farm lives in the house it is unusual for them to
>     farm themselves.
>
I am just adding a landuse=farm with a name. And with produce=nut;fruit 
nut=macadamia fruit=avocado. In this case I have a good boundary and I 
have a fair amount of information about the place.
Generally I add a node place=farm as I am not certain where the boundary 
lies .. the next farm looks much like this one and I don't know which 
field is which farms.
Generally here the main farm residence carries the same name, and is 
used by the farm manager as their residence, I add a polygon as the 
building outline with building=farm, name=*.
>
> Other uses include:
>
>   * Area with both landuse and a place tag. Most often villages, but
>     some suburbs of Milton Keynes have been mapped that way. MK is
>     unusual in that the grid and area names are well-defined.
>   * Field names (a few examples to the W of MK). One of these
>     <http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/232551091> applies to a former
>     field which is now residential. Wrong in my view. (I really like
>     the idea of capturing current or former field names in OSM, but I
>     dont think this is the right way to do it).
>   * Individual residential buildings. E.g., a hall of residence
>     <http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/297281678> in London. Sometimes
>     unavoidable.
>
> So to take the examples to hand:
>
>   * The two Hurlingham elements may represent real local distinctions.
>   * Retail areas. Many of these names will be in use although probably
>     in a) local planning documents; b) commercial estate agents and c)
>     retail professionals. Names used by locals may different and
>     harder to establish as accepted usage. In these cases it may be
>     that the name is better placed in an alternative name tag, showing
>     that the name is in use but only within specific communities or
>     use cases. Perhaps someone from Geolytix could provide input on
>     this subject as they have the relevant expertise. Alternatively
>     diligent searching in the local press and planning documents may
>     establish that the usage is current.
>
> In short: in many cases names on landuse are a very convenient way of 
> ensuring a name used for a location is available with OSM without 
> having to precisely define it with other tags. In some cases the 
> boundaries are very well defined and the area is also defined with 
> other tags such as place=*.
>
> Jerry
>
>
>
> On 17 January 2017 at 13:33, Andrew Hain <andrewhainosm at hotmail.co.uk 
> <mailto:andrewhainosm at hotmail.co.uk>> wrote:
>
>     A recent changeset in southwest London
>     [https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/43807789
>     <https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/43807789>] added names to
>     landuse=residential and landuse=commercial polygons. The mapper
>     has not responded to the changeset comment that I left some weeks
>     ago. The names themselves read more like descriptions to me as a
>     local and they were added to the existing polygons, which are
>     somewhat arbitrary (you could micromap with a polygon for each
>     block omitting all roads). These names appear on OSM-carto in italics.
>
>     What is a general view on when it makes sense to add a name to a
>     landuse polygon?
>
>     --
>     Andrew
>
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