[Talk-GB] Edits in Wales

Thu Jul 27 13:48:53 UTC 2017

Hi again,

As far as I understand the wiki, my experience in Spanish bilingual
situations and the common sense (as you can see in street signals) I'm
going to change name=* to a neutral way as far as I could because is non
sense to have only English name in name=* tag (and adding name:en=* if do
not exist).

I see (may be SK53 add them) there are name:cy tag in many streets [1] so
is as easy to edit name=* adding the Welsh name before as you can see in
the streets, add name:en=* if necessary.

Cheers

Miguel

[1] e.g. way of the photo http://imgur.com/VkxGasm -->
http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/152547339

--
*Miguel Sevilla-Callejo*
Doctor en Geografía

On 27 July 2017 at 14:29, SK53 <sk53.osm at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Miguel,
>
> I tend to agree with you. However, we have never had a consensus on which
> approach to use. Perhaps because we have few mappers in Wales and even
> fewer who are Welsh speakers by preference. Certainly using an English road
> name in Welsh-speaking areas of Wales is likely to put off Welsh speakers
> from contributing, so I tend to regard using both names as a
> quasi-political compromise. It's not easy to parse but will be intelligible
> to all, and does not require the elaborate explanation about name:en and
> name:cy.
>
> So be prepared for people querying this approach.
>
> From a perspective of entering the data it is important to add name:en and
> name:cy.
>
> Ironically I have been using Aber to test a mapnik overlay of Welsh names,
> so more data would be very useful.
>
> Jerry
>
> On 27 July 2017 at 14:15, Miguel Sevilla-Callejo <msevilla00 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Hello Phil,
>>
>> Thanks for your reply, great to know someone is editing or/checking
>> editions around.
>>
>> Respect the issue about the street names if you follow wiki indications
>> for multilingual names [1] you could read for Welsh that "It is better to
>> use *name:en* for English names and *name:cy* for the Welsh name. In the
>> *name* field, a neutral or a bilingual version can be entered." [2]. So
>> it's time to proceed in the correct mode.
>>
>> You can see an example of street sing here: http://imgur.com/VkxGasm
>>
>> I guess we should follow the neutral bilingual approach for that rather
>> than to use only Welsh (which in top) or English name.
>>
>> In Spain we have same regions with this issue and we are use to manage.
>>
>> Telegram is like WhatsApp, a Instant Messenger platform, initially focus
>> in mobile [3] and we use in Spain to re-emplace IRC [4] despite we
>> connected both services through Riot.im [4]
>>
>> By the way, I'm one of the administrator of the Non-official,
>> unauthorized OpenStreetMap supergroup on Telegram: @openstreetmaporg [5]
>>
>> We keep in contact
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>> Miguel
>>
>> [1] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Multilingual_names
>> [2] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Multilingual_names#Wales
>> [3] https://telegram.org/
>> [4] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/List_of_OSM_centric_Teleg
>> ram_accounts
>> [5] https://telegram.me/OpenStreetMapOrg
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> *Miguel Sevilla-Callejo*
>> Doctor en Geografía
>>
>> On 27 July 2017 at 13:25, Philip Barnes <phil at trigpoint.me.uk> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi Miguel,  welcome to Wales or should I say Croisi y Cymru.
>>>
>>> I am based in the Marches on the border so my mapping is regularly both
>>> sides of the border. I do keep an eye on mid Wales through whodidit as we
>>> are very sparse on mappers in that area.
>>>
>>> >
>>> >I'm looking for other contributors in Wales, Ceredigion or even within
>>> >Aberystwyth to coordinate with them to star editions here.
>>> >
>>> >For instance, I found that all street names should be tagged in Welsh
>>> >and
>>> >English in the name=* as you can see in the street signals or as I
>>> >found it
>>> >must be in the OSM wiki [3]
>>>
>>> I would disagree with that, I prefer to map the top name in name and
>>> then use name:cy and name:en tags. In my experience that is the norm.
>>> Experience tells me that is far easier if the name contains a single
>>> language. In Ceredigion I would expect that to be usually Cymraig.
>>> >
>>> >Moreover, I'm taking some street level photos to upload to Mapillary
>>> >[3]
>>> >and adding some notes [4] for future contributions.
>>> >
>>> >All feedback is welcome, I'm on Telegram too (same user as OSM) so you
>>> >can
>>> >contact to me there too.
>>>
>>> I am not sure what telegram is, the UK community hang out on IRC in
>>> #talk-gb, you are welcome to join us.
>>> >
>>> >Cheers & happy mapping
>>>
>>> Have fun,  and certainly visit New Quay (Under Milk Wood), while you are
>>> in Ceredigion.
>>>
>>> Phil. (trigpoint)
>>>
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