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>   1. Re: Birmingham Tree Import (Paul Norman)
>   2. Re: [Talk-gb-london] New OSM London Meetup - Invite
>      (Stuart Reynolds)
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> Date: Tue, 09 May 2017 00:27:34 -0700
> From: Paul Norman <penorman at mac.com>
> To: talk-gb at openstreetmap.org
> Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] Birmingham Tree Import
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> On 4/27/2017 12:26 PM, Brian Prangle wrote:
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>> Apart from some posts  about the problems with email notifications of
>> changeset discussions, there has been nothing to indicate where I take
>> this import. I guess that's because the initative is really down to me.
>>
>> I've annotated Harry's Import wiki page
>> <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Birmingham_City_Council_trees_data>
>> with some comments and ideas. I've copied below what I think are the
>> relevant bits from the wiki page and I look forward to resolving the
>> issues as I'm keen to complete the import.
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> Don't forget the need to consult with imports@ as part of the
> consultation with the community.
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> Date: Tue, 9 May 2017 07:27:56 +0000
> From: Stuart Reynolds <stuart at travelinesoutheast.org.uk>
> To: Andrew Hain <andrewhainosm at hotmail.co.uk>
> Cc: Bjoern Hassler <bjohas+mw at gmail.com>,
> "talk-gb-london at openstreetmap.org" <talk-gb-london at openstreetmap.org>,
> osm-gb <talk-gb at openstreetmap.org>
> Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] [Talk-gb-london] New OSM London Meetup - Invite
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> Yes.
>
> For info, stations are regarded as “national” and so have their own 910
> prefix. So 9100LHONSEA is Leigh-on-sea (OK, it’s not in London but that’s
> the one I know). The alpha code on the end is a match to the rail industry
> TIPLOC codes, which throws up some oddities (such as London Victoria and
> London Bridge having two TIPLOCs each, and Clapham Junction having four).
>
> Metro stations are also regarded as national, and so have 940 prefixes. In
> the cases I mentioned before, 9400ZZLUBNK is Bank, and 9400ZZLUTWH is Tower
> Hill. In both rail and metro cases, these codes represent the entire
> station.
>
> Then, each rail station or metro station has one or more entrances. These,
> for historical reasons, are always defined locally and have local codes. So
> they have the local prefix (490 for London) instead of the national prefix,
> but use the same identifier for the station. There is then a numbered suffix
> to distinguish between different entrances, although Bank has so many that
> it needs alpha as well.
>
> So:
>
>  *   4900ZZLUBNK7 is Bank Station, Entrance 9, on the corner of Threadneedle
> Street (there isn’t necessarily any direct correlation between the suffix
> and the entrance number)
>  *   4900ZZLUOXC7 is Oxford Circus, Entrance 7, on Argyll Street
>  *   etc
>
> The final oddity is that there is a hierarchy. So rail stations can contain
> metro stations, but not the other way around. But each different entity is
> expected to have its own entrances. So at Blackfriars, for example, the rail
> station has two entrances, north and south, and the nominal “entrance” to
> the underground is actually set on the gateline inside the station building.
>
> So there are some things to be aware of, but positionally the entrances are
> all in the right places (more or less) and you can get a “big bang” from the
> NaPTAN data even if you later on wish to refine the entrances by survey.
>
> Regards,
> Stuart Reynolds
> for traveline south east & anglia
>
>
>
> On 9 May 2017, at 07:14, Andrew Hain
> <andrewhainosm at hotmail.co.uk<mailto:andrewhainosm at hotmail.co.uk>> wrote:
>
> Does it include stations belonging to Network Rail?
>
> --
> Andrew
> ________________________________
> From: Stuart Reynolds
> <stuart at travelinesoutheast.org.uk<mailto:stuart at travelinesoutheast.org.uk>>
> Sent: 08 May 2017 23:44:56
> To: Derick Rethans
> Cc: Bjoern Hassler;
> talk-gb-london at openstreetmap.org<mailto:talk-gb-london at openstreetmap.org>;
> osm-gb
> Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] [Talk-gb-london] New OSM London Meetup - Invite
>
> Hi All,
>
> For reference, virtually all of the entrances are contained within the
> London NaPTAN data (https://data.gov.uk/dataset/naptan) which is the data
> that begins with the prefix 4900. The tube entrances all begin 4909ZZLU
> followed by a three letter code for the station plus a digit to distinguish
> between different entrances. For example, 4909ZZLUBNK0 would be an entrance
> to Bank, while 4900ZZLUTWH0 would be Tower Hill.
>
> While these do not give you accessibility information, they are all
> maintained by TfL and should give you accurate positional information.
>
> Regards
> Stuart
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> Sent from my iPad
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> On 8 May 2017, at 21:02, Derick Rethans
> <osm at derickrethans.nl<mailto:osm at derickrethans.nl>> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> I think this is a good idea. We have something UK wide, but doing it a
> local way makes a lot of sense (and easier to complete). Happy to do
> this "fix the tube network" thing over a few weekends (After the General
> Election that is).
>
> cheers,
> Derick
>
> On Thu, 4 May 2017, Bjoern Hassler wrote:
>
> Dear Grant, dear all,
>
> thanks for putting on the meeting, and thanks for the sponsored pizza! Good
> meeting last night, and god to have met you all.
>
> Following up on the "Missing Maps London" idea, I thought we could may do
> some "map challenges" that look at specific things that need work. It might
> be a nice community building activity, and provide some continuity between
> meetings?
>
> As an experiment, I've formulated one such challenges here
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/London_public_transport_tagging_scheme/Map_Challenges
> and added images / interactive maps / help for new mappers.
>
> See what you think and let me know whether there's interest. Results could
> be announced at the next meeting?
>
> All the best,
> Bjoern
>
>
> On 30 April 2017 at 17:30, Grant Slater
> <openstreetmap at firefishy.com<mailto:openstreetmap at firefishy.com>> wrote:
>
> Hi All,
>
> We trying a new format OpenStreetMap evening meetup in London this
> Wednesday 3rd May 2017... We'd love for you to come along:
>
> https://www.meetup.com/OpenStreetMap-Q-A-Meetup/events/239366249/
>
> New to OpenStreetMap and want to learn more or need some help getting
> started? Already mapping or using OSM and have any Questions or
> Challenges or want to see what others are up to? This is the event for
> you.
>
> We already have 3 great speakers lined up for the evening:
>
> * Andy Allan - OpenCycleMap / Thunderforest
> * Astrid Thorseth - Missing Maps
> * Derick Rethans - London Mapper
>
> We have a great venue (bias, I work there), there will be pizza and
> soft drinks provided.
>
> I'd love to hear any suggestions on how we could improve the event or
> what works elsewhere.
>
> Kind regards,
> Grant
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