[Talk-GB] Proposed Import of UK Shell Filling Stations

Jez Nicholson jez.nicholson at gmail.com
Fri May 12 09:22:01 UTC 2017

for background info: a couple of links about Navads and what they do for
Shell (and other brands)
http://www.prweb.com/releases/navads/shell/prweb13779126.htm and

It would be interesting for OSM[UK] to be an official recipient of
up-to-date, clean data if indeed it is proved to be clean enough for import.

On Fri, 12 May 2017 at 08:59 Robert Whittaker (OSM lists) <
robert.whittaker+osm at gmail.com> wrote:

> On 11 May 2017 at 23:25, Frederik Ramm <frederik at remote.org> wrote:
> > Link to discussion so far on imports@:
> > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/imports/2017-May/004956.html
> >
> >> My concern would be from where to they get their geocoding.  Most
> >> businesses, and particularly chain businesses, tend to use postcode
> >> centroids, which are not accurate enough, probably get them from Google.
> >
> > I voiced the same general concern, but a random sample I checked of the
> > (actually rather few) stations that are proposed to be newly added
> > seemed to be impeccably placed.
> In which case, there is a different concern: have they done their
> geo-coding from an acceptable source for use in OSM? If they've e.g.
> used Address Base (or a similar product) or got coordinates from a
> non-OpenData OS map, then there could be problems. I think we need
> more information on the data sources here.
> Some other comments:
> * If a ref/id is to be used, it should probably be Shell's branch
> reference number, not that of the third-party data provider. (These do
> exist, and at least in some cases are verifiable on the ground, as
> I've found at least one on a pump at a Shell garage up the road from
> me.)
> * There's an addressing edge-case error on a station near me, which is
> located on the Five Ways Roundabout near Mildenhall:
> http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/478902268 . We currently have
> (incorrectly) "addr:place=5 Ways Roundabout", but the script is
> proposing adding "addr:street=Ways Roundabout" and
> "addr:housenumber=5".
> * The script shouldn't just add source=Navads to objects it's only
> modifying, as that would imply the whole object was sourced from
> there. If existing tags and position are retained, then this needs to
> be acknowledged somehow. If there's an existing source tag, then
> Navads could just be added to the list (I haven't checked to see if
> this is the case). If not, then there's more of a challenge. The
> script current just adds source=Navads in this case. I think the
> importers need to propose a better solution for this.
> * As others have said, there needs to be more information about what
> happens if there are multiple amenity=fuel objects within 50m, and
> also what happens if any existing tags conflict with what the script
> would like to add.
> * The proposed website tag appears to point to http://www.shell.co.uk
> for all the branches. Would it be better pointing to a specific URL
> for that branch (assuming this exists)?
> * The opening_hours from the import script for
> http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/248030653 don't match those displayed
> on Shell's own website for the same station. One as open till 11pm on
> Saturday, the other only 10pm. So is the data accurate / up-to-date?
> Robert.
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