[Talk-GB] Scottish community councils

[Colin Smale]

Hi Saoirse, 

As far as I have been able to ascertain, the Scottish Government
delegated the delineation of the community areas to the councils, and
each council seems to have their own policy about open data.  

In the case of Edinburgh, it looks like they require an attribution:
"This information is supplied under the Open Government License v3.0
(http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/doc/open-government-licence/version/3/).
The data was captured by the City of Edinburgh Council against Ordnance
Survey basemaps and requires the following attribution statement to
acknowledge the source of information:"Copyright City of Edinburgh
Council, contains Ordnance Survey data (c) Crown copyright and database
right (insert year)"" 

http://data.edinburghcouncilmaps.info/datasets/da44854d46c44a76b9b1160fc609738a_25


You might want to check with
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Legal_FAQ 

Colin 

On 2018-05-27 11:54, S M wrote:

> Hi, thanks for all the responses. I have started mapping community councils in Edinburgh. This link is useful for anyone else planning to do so: http://socprojects.napier.ac.uk/is/Edinburgh/ 
> 
> I will hold off on adding area committees for now. As far as I can tell they often coincide with community council boundaries, which is helpful if we decide in future they should be added. 
> 
> Saoirse
> 
> On 26 May 2018 at 14:32, SK53 <sk53.osm at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Adding such things tends to be down to local mappers. The best source for accurate boundaries is OS Open Data Boundary Line: this needs a little experience to process well, but IIRC JOSM handles it reasonably well. 
> 
> I don't think area committees, at least in Argyll & Bute, have anything like the same powers and responsibilities as English District Councils (the main admin_level=8 grouping), and technically are committees of the full council just like finance, planning etc., rather than being separate legal entities. (Such powers as are delegated are mentioned alongside the basic delegations to officers needed for effective administration, see A&B's constitution [1]. A good concrete example is that English District Councils have Returning Officers, whereas the A&B Returning Officer is the Head of Customer Services.) Nor am I sure if the area committees have any dedicated staff, although I find it hard to see how they can achieve anything without a minimum of secretarial support. 
> 
> I would therefore suggest these are not formal administrative boundaries (in OSM terms), and certainly the admin_level=8 should be avoided. We don't do well in keeping non-formal admin boundaries separate from other types of boundaries (e.g., wards which are essentially a political boundary determined by the boundary commission, even if ward councillors may get limited budgets and councils may align service provision with the wards). 
> 
> As an interim approach I'd suggest using admin_level=9, but I think we could do with a bit more of a re-think of some of our boundary tagging (the bodies with powers 'devolved' upwards, such as the West Midlands Combined Authority (currently tagged admin_level=6, but an anomaly), is another case. 
> 
> Jerry 
> 
> On 26 May 2018 at 13:48, S M <llamaseat at gmail.com> wrote: 
> 
> Hi, this is my first post on this forum. 
> 
> My question is: is there any reason why community councils in Scotland are not mapped? I ask because I do a lot of mapping in Angus, and I was planning to map the community councils for Angus council area, but I wanted to check first. These community councils do not have as many powers as English civil parishes and Welsh communities, but they do have a few statutory powers. 
> 
> If they have just not been done yet, I will get started doing Angus council area's community councils, and I can do Edinburgh's as well. They would be admin_level=10 to fit with English civil parishes and Welsh communities. It is worth noting that Scotland also has "area committees" which some council areas (such as Glasgow, Aberdeenshire, Argyll and Bute etc) have devolved certain powers to. If these were to be mapped they would be admin_level=8 presumably. 
> 
> Thanks. 
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