[Talk-GB] Scottish community councils

Mon May 28 13:05:09 UTC 2018

Fife Council has their boundaries available here: 
https://data.gov.uk/dataset/fife-community-council-boundaries - but the 
licence information says "none" so probably need to get them to release 
it under a proper licence?

On 27/05/2018 11:55, Colin Smale wrote:
>
> Hi Saoirse,
>
> As far as I have been able to ascertain, the Scottish Government 
> delegated the delineation of the community areas to the councils, and 
> each council seems to have their own policy about open data.
>
> In the case of Edinburgh, it looks like they require an attribution: 
> "This information is supplied under the Open Government License v3.0 
> (http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/doc/open-government-licence/version/3/). 
> The data was captured by the City of Edinburgh Council against 
> Ordnance Survey basemaps and requires the following attribution 
> statement to acknowledge the source of information:“Copyright City of 
> Edinburgh Council, contains Ordnance Survey data © Crown copyright and 
> database right (insert year)”"
>
> http://data.edinburghcouncilmaps.info/datasets/da44854d46c44a76b9b1160fc609738a_25
>
> You might want to check with 
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Legal_FAQ
>
> Colin
>
> On 2018-05-27 11:54, S M wrote:
>
>> Hi, thanks for all the responses. I have started mapping community 
>> councils in Edinburgh. This link is useful for anyone else planning 
>> to do so: http://socprojects.napier.ac.uk/is/Edinburgh/
>> I will hold off on adding area committees for now. As far as I can 
>> tell they often coincide with community council boundaries, which is 
>> helpful if we decide in future they should be added.
>> Saoirse
>>
>> On 26 May 2018 at 14:32, SK53 <sk53.osm at gmail.com 
>> <mailto:sk53.osm at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>>     Adding such things tends to be down to local mappers. The best
>>     source for accurate boundaries is OS Open Data Boundary Line:
>>     this needs a little experience to process well, but IIRC JOSM
>>     handles it reasonably well.
>>     I don't think area committees, at least in Argyll & Bute, have
>>     anything like the same powers and responsibilities as English
>>     District Councils (the main admin_level=8 grouping), and
>>     technically are committees of the full council just like finance,
>>     planning etc., rather than being separate legal entities. (Such
>>     powers as are delegated are mentioned alongside the basic
>>     delegations to officers needed for effective administration, see
>>     A&B's constitution
>>     <https://www.argyll-bute.gov.uk/sites/default/files/council-and-government/constitution-part-c_0.pdf>.
>>     A good concrete example is that English District Councils have
>>     Returning Officers, whereas the A&B Returning Officer is the Head
>>     of Customer Services.) Nor am I sure if the area committees have
>>     any dedicated staff, although I find it hard to see how they can
>>     achieve anything without a minimum of secretarial support.
>>
>>     I would therefore suggest these are not formal administrative
>>     boundaries (in OSM terms), and certainly the admin_level=8 should
>>     be avoided. We don't do well in keeping non-formal admin
>>     boundaries separate from other types of boundaries (e.g., wards
>>     which are essentially a political boundary determined by the
>>     boundary commission, even if ward councillors may get limited
>>     budgets and councils may align service provision with the wards).
>>     As an interim approach I'd suggest using admin_level=9, but I
>>     think we could do with a bit more of a re-think of some of our
>>     boundary tagging (the bodies with powers 'devolved' upwards, such
>>     as the West Midlands Combined Authority (currently tagged
>>     admin_level=6, but an anomaly), is another case.
>>     Jerry
>>
>>     On 26 May 2018 at 13:48, S M <llamaseat at gmail.com
>>     <mailto:llamaseat at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>>         Hi, this is my first post on this forum.
>>         My question is: is there any reason why community councils in
>>         Scotland are not mapped? I ask because I do a lot of mapping
>>         in Angus, and I was planning to map the community councils
>>         for Angus council area, but I wanted to check first. These
>>         community councils do not have as many powers as English
>>         civil parishes and Welsh communities, but they do have a few
>>         statutory powers.
>>         If they have just not been done yet, I will get started doing
>>         Angus council area's community councils, and I can do
>>         Edinburgh's as well. They would be admin_level=10 to fit with
>>         English civil parishes and Welsh communities. It is worth
>>         noting that Scotland also has "area committees" which some
>>         council areas (such as Glasgow, Aberdeenshire, Argyll and
>>         Bute etc) have devolved certain powers to. If these were to
>>         be mapped they would be admin_level=8 presumably.
>>         Thanks.
>>         Saoirse
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