[Talk-GB] Name Suggestion Index

[SK53]

I wish there was a general rule which could be easily formulated: certainly
it would be useful to make some useful rules-of-thumb more explicit. Below
is a crude attempt at some considerations.

Broadly speaking the shop=confectionery, confectionery=chocolate is
probably what works best. The issue is not specifically chocolate but, as
DaveF pointed out earlier in the thread, all the other specialist
sweet/cake shops selling local specialties such as fudge or toffee (or
perhaps even Bakewell Puddings). There are probably lots of these special
cases which is usually a good sign to stick with the more general tag. The
other issue is that a tag has to work across the globe & the presence of
significant numbers of South Asian sweet outlets in Britain also suggests
sticking with the more general tag.

Also confectionery is more widely used & has a much longer usage. So both
sets of tags need to be looked at anyway if one is looking for chocolate
shops.

Lastly using a subtag (confectionery) always means one is adding
information and not changing the meaning of an existing tag. shop=chocolate
implies that shop=confectionery is a shop which sells sweet things except
chocolate.

The archetypal shop tag where a more general value is better than a
specific one is shop=beauty. Some will be pure nail bars, but many offer a
bewildering array of treatments. The general tag allows one not to have to
worry about all this detail unless one is specifically interested.

For really posh chocolate shops (not Hotel Chocolat or Thorntons) one could
add craft=chocolatier (but be careful, many years ago I remember being
disappointed to discover that the Belgiian chocolate firm Godiva was owned
by Campbells Soup).

Jerry

On Fri, 8 Nov 2019 at 11:01, Peter Neale via Talk-GB <
talk-gb at openstreetmap.org> wrote:

> Hotel Chocolat could be tagged "shop=chocolate", I suppose, but chocolate
> is a sub-set of confectionery, so perhaps it should retain
> "shop=confectionery", so that users looking for a sugar high don't have to
> search for both shop=confectionery and shop=chocolate (and shop=boiled
> sweets and shop=fruit_gums and shop=seaside_rock and....)?
>
> Would that make it "shop=confectionery / confectionery=chocolate"?  (I am
> a bit new to the "rules" of tagging)
>
> Regards,
> Peter
>
>
> On Friday, 8 November 2019, 10:41:28 GMT, Silent Spike <
> silentspike100 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> I'm a (UK based) maintainer of the NSI repository and can push changes
> directly to it. I haven't been as active lately, but previously was working
> my way through UK brands.
>
> "The Range" is one I've looked at previously but never figured out the
> most appropriate tagging which is why it still isn't in the index (for
> cases like that I'd like to consult the community for some consensus). I'll
> actually start a new thread to discuss this brand today.
>
> "Hotel Chocolat" I believe is shop=confectionery in the index purely
> because it was the established tagging. If there is some community
> consensus it should be changed then that can be done (and this is why the
> index is so useful, because all existing locations matched to the brand via
> `brand:wikidata` could be automatically re-tagged with the preferred value).
>
> If there are brands missing or issues with the current brand tagging I'd
> suggest either:
> - Open an issue on the repository (or a pull request if you're comfortable
> with git and json) and all contributors will then see it
> - If you don't have a github account and don't want one, just bring things
> up on this mailing list (feel free to email me directly too) and I'll see
> them and can either open an issue or push changes
>
>
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