[Talk-GB] Name Suggestion Index

[Andy Robinson]

Could make them all fast food outlets? Bakewell tarts, Melton Mowbray pies, Cornish Pasties, and my favourite Cartmel sticky toffee puddings……

Chocolate might just be a cuisine?

 

Or is that just stirring the pot J

 

Cheers

Andy

 

From: SK53 [mailto:sk53.osm at gmail.com] 
Sent: 08 November 2019 11:54
To: Peter Neale
Cc: Talk GB
Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] Name Suggestion Index

 

I wish there was a general rule which could be easily formulated: certainly it would be useful to make some useful rules-of-thumb more explicit. Below is a crude attempt at some considerations.

 

Broadly speaking the shop=confectionery, confectionery=chocolate is probably what works best. The issue is not specifically chocolate but, as DaveF pointed out earlier in the thread, all the other specialist sweet/cake shops selling local specialties such as fudge or toffee (or perhaps even Bakewell Puddings). There are probably lots of these special cases which is usually a good sign to stick with the more general tag. The other issue is that a tag has to work across the globe & the presence of significant numbers of South Asian sweet outlets in Britain also suggests sticking with the more general tag. 

 

Also confectionery is more widely used & has a much longer usage. So both sets of tags need to be looked at anyway if one is looking for chocolate shops. 

 

Lastly using a subtag (confectionery) always means one is adding information and not changing the meaning of an existing tag. shop=chocolate implies that shop=confectionery is a shop which sells sweet things except chocolate.

 

The archetypal shop tag where a more general value is better than a specific one is shop=beauty. Some will be pure nail bars, but many offer a bewildering array of treatments. The general tag allows one not to have to worry about all this detail unless one is specifically interested. 

 

For really posh chocolate shops (not Hotel Chocolat or Thorntons) one could add craft=chocolatier (but be careful, many years ago I remember being disappointed to discover that the Belgiian chocolate firm Godiva was owned by Campbells Soup).

 

Jerry

 

On Fri, 8 Nov 2019 at 11:01, Peter Neale via Talk-GB <talk-gb at openstreetmap.org> wrote:

Hotel Chocolat could be tagged "shop=chocolate", I suppose, but chocolate is a sub-set of confectionery, so perhaps it should retain "shop=confectionery", so that users looking for a sugar high don't have to search for both shop=confectionery and shop=chocolate (and shop=boiled sweets and shop=fruit_gums and shop=seaside_rock and....)?

 

Would that make it "shop=confectionery / confectionery=chocolate"?  (I am a bit new to the "rules" of tagging) 

 

Regards,

Peter

 

 

On Friday, 8 November 2019, 10:41:28 GMT, Silent Spike <silentspike100 at gmail.com> wrote: 

 

 

I'm a (UK based) maintainer of the NSI repository and can push changes directly to it. I haven't been as active lately, but previously was working my way through UK brands.

 

"The Range" is one I've looked at previously but never figured out the most appropriate tagging which is why it still isn't in the index (for cases like that I'd like to consult the community for some consensus). I'll actually start a new thread to discuss this brand today.

 

"Hotel Chocolat" I believe is shop=confectionery in the index purely because it was the established tagging. If there is some community consensus it should be changed then that can be done (and this is why the index is so useful, because all existing locations matched to the brand via `brand:wikidata` could be automatically re-tagged with the preferred value).

 

If there are brands missing or issues with the current brand tagging I'd suggest either:

- Open an issue on the repository (or a pull request if you're comfortable with git and json) and all contributors will then see it

- If you don't have a github account and don't want one, just bring things up on this mailing list (feel free to email me directly too) and I'll see them and can either open an issue or push changes

 

 

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