[Talk-GB] Fixing shop=yes, now it no longer renders on the default OSM map

[Stuart Reynolds]

And this is the problem. One of the shop=yes entries in Southend on sea is The Range. I wasn’t sure how to tag it (I was using iD for speed, and it’s list of defined shop tags is fairly minimal) so I tried an overpass query on Name=The Range.

I have found, variously (aside from those without a shop tag at all) “houseware”, “household”, “doityourself”, “department_store”.

I would suggest that “houseware” or “household” (is this a recognised tag?) comes closest, or maybe even (from the Wiki - I haven’t found live examples yet) “variety_store"

But how to tell! There isn’t a standardised approach, by any stretch of the imagination.

Regards,
Stuart Reynolds
for traveline south east and anglia

On 2 Sep 2019, at 14:20, Jez Nicholson <jez.nicholson at gmail.com<mailto:jez.nicholson at gmail.com>> wrote:

Whilst we are on the subject of shops (I hope this isn't dragging the discussion too far off topic) people may be interested how editors like iD and Vespucci get lists of UK shop names to suggest in drop-downs. The Name Suggestion Index contains json encoded descriptions of retail brands and can be browsed using https://osmlab.github.io/name-suggestion-index/  this page lets you enter 'gb' as a county code to show only UK shops.

I don't know (yet) how iD generates its list of shop types. This may be hard-coded and/or pre-generated from the NSI.

The excellent https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Retail_chains_in_the_United_Kingdom OSM Wiki page is a good driver for getting content into the NSI as we include evidence of the name with an image.

On Mon, Sep 2, 2019 at 1:59 PM Jez Nicholson <jez.nicholson at gmail.com<mailto:jez.nicholson at gmail.com>> wrote:
Thanks for the heads up.

I specifically use it when I know that a shop exists, and am due to survey it to say what it is. So I guess it doesn't hurt if those aren't rendered......but please, people in general, don't just delete them.

On Mon, Sep 2, 2019 at 1:43 PM Robert Whittaker (OSM lists) <robert.whittaker+osm at gmail.com<mailto:robert.whittaker%2Bosm at gmail.com>> wrote:
Since version 4.22 of the Carto map style (which was deployed a few
days ago), the generic shop=yes tag is no longer rendered on the
default OSM-Carto map at https://www.openstreetmap.org/ . For details
of the decision see
https://github.com/gravitystorm/openstreetmap-carto/issues/3697 .

In Great Britain,
https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org.uk/keys/shop#values shows we
currently have 7,772 objects tagged with shop=yes, which represents
4.18% of our total shop=* objects. These objects will no longer appear
on the default map (unless they have other renderable tags). To have
the objects display again, we need to give them more specific shop=*
tags. Often, an appropriate shop value can be deduced from the shop
name, its website, or other existing tagging on OSM, without needing a
ground survey.

Any mappers with a few minutes to spare might like to have a look at
their local area, and see if there are any shop=yes objects they could
re-tag with a more specific value. Some resources to help:

* Overpass Turbo query to find shop=yes objects:
http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/M0w (Pan/zoom to the area of interest, then
click on run. Try a smaller area if the query times out.)

* OSM WIki Key:Shop page, with values for common shop types:
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:shop

* Taginfo GB shop values:
https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org.uk/keys/shop#values (Use the search
box at the top right of the *table* to get suggestions for the common
tag for a particular shop type.)

Best wishes,

Robert.

--
Robert Whittaker
https://osm.mathmos.net/

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