[Talk-GB] Showgrounds (tagging)

[SK53]

Hi Ian,

Judging by this
<https://www.gov.uk/guidance/rating-manual-section-6-part-3-valuation-of-all-property-classes/section-40-agricultural-showgrounds>
the government (Valuation Office) has also come to that conclusion. Some
interesting snippets about how showgrounds developed in the text. Anyway
I'd agree that  landuse=commercial may also be appropriate, and will
probably depend on local conditions. For instance Rutland sold-off the
original showground for housing, so are presumably cash rich, but  don't
think they have many big events so the grounds are used by sports clubs.


Jery

On Wed, 4 Sep 2019 at 21:11, Ian Caldwell <ian1caldwell+OSM at googlemail.com>
wrote:

> For the  Three Counties Showground in Malvern
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/35432806 is tagged with
> landuse=commercial. Any given the number of events there most of which are
> commercial. Commercial would be correct. That how the NEC is mapped
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/243830271.
>
> Ian
>
>
> On Wed, 4 Sep 2019 at 20:55, SK53 <sk53.osm at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I just came across <https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/161362655> an
>> agricultural showground tagged as leisure=park and realised I didn't know
>> what a sensible way to retag it would be. Although there are a limited
>> number in the UK (perhaps 100 or so) they do tend to be quite prominent and
>> when major events take place at them (e.g., Scout Jamborees, National
>> Eisteddfod) good tagging can be useful. I recall Richard Bullock mapping
>> the Royal Cheshire quite a few years ago as it helped parents pick up their
>> children after the scout Jamboree.
>>
>> Various (inconsistent) approaches have been used:
>>
>> * Newark <https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/178396540> & Norfolk
>> <https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/40942963> mapped as tourism=attraction
>> * Rutland <https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/547075306> as
>> leisure=recreation_ground (there are certainly sports pitches here out of
>> events)
>> * Royal Cheshire <https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/67375462> as
>> amenity=showground with landuse=grass.
>>
>> It strikes me that how grounds are a special type of events venue and
>> perhaps rather than using amenity=showground it may be better to use
>> amenity=events_venue with a subtag events_venue=showground. leisure &
>> tourism tags may still be applicable, and landuse=grass can still be (mis-)
>> used to show the area (see Newark & Royal Cheshire). Alternatives might be
>> amenity=exhibition_centre, but this seems more for places like the NEC. The
>> current wiki description circumscribes events venues fairly closely, so
>> this would be an extension in meaning.
>>
>> I don't think anything in the UK (or Europe) is quite on the scale of the Minnesota
>> State Fair <https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/39662664> which certainly
>> merits tourism=attraction.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Jerry
>>
>> Any thoughts,
>>
>> Jerry
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