[Talk-GB] Subject: Re: Thomas Cook shops

[Warin]

On 30/09/19 00:30, Dave F via Talk-GB wrote:
> On 29/09/2019 14:30, David Woolley wrote:
>>
>> I think too much effort goes into these big changes.
>
> The actual change is dead easy in JOSM. It's all this faffing about 
> having to discuss it that takes up all the time.

+1
> As I said in another thread this increasing reluctance to 
> removing/updating data while allowing _anyone_ to add data is 
> detrimental to the OSM database. Take the new quarterly project as an 
> example - anonymous users are allowed to add notes, but are unable to 
> delete.
>
>> The real problem with business directory mapping on OSM is that 
>> people like doing the first time mapping of shops on a high street 
>> but no one likes maintaining them.
>
> This thread is *specifically* about maintaining.
>
>> The number of shops that are wrong because of churn or small 
>> businesses, or individual closures of chain shops is probably orders 
>> of magnitude more than the ones that get lots of publicity.
>
> Preventing the mass (hardly "mass" though) edit of Thomas Cook & 
> instead relying on individuals to update *will* guarantee more shops 
> will be "wrong".
>
> The benefit of a one changeset edit is that it would be extremely easy 
> to update if there's an (unlikely) change in the firms fortunes.

The advantage of turning them all to disused: is that they are done.

The disadvantage is that there is no local confirmation. However .. I 
think most will agree that even without a local survey .. the shop is 
closed.

Raising not everything named 'Thomas Cook' is the travel agency is fine, 
once pointed out I would think the editor will take care of that issue.


If some mapper cares to do a survey they might as well do all the 
disused: etc in that locality, not simply the old Thomas Cooks.

>
>>
>> I doubt that many people are going to get misled by a Thomas Cook or 
>> Maplins store that remains mapped, but many may be misled by the loss 
>> of a specialist store that didn't make the national press.
>
> Unsure what you mean by "misled", but surely if any shop that's 
> incorrectly tagged will inconvenience someone if they use OSM to plan 
> their visit?

It may not mislead a UK person, it may well mislead a foreign tourist 
who may well be having enough trouble coping with English. The map is 
not really for the local, who knows the area and culture, but the 
visitor finding their way.