[Talk-GB] driveway-becomes-track

Nick Allen nick.allen.54 at gmail.com
Sun Dec 13 10:28:31 UTC 2020


Hi,
I tend to think of tagging more in terms of 'who will use this?' I know
my local area extremely well, so I map it as best I can using tags that
will make sense to anyone visiting the area. When I'm away from home I
use OSM extensively to find things, and hope that the local mappers are
using a universal scheme so that it will work for me. 
I've travelled on roads in Portugal, Spain an parts of Africa which
dont have a surface such as tarmac (tarmacadam / asphalt) or concrete,
but instead have been built with a top coating similar to clay, which
is compressed and then smoothed using a grader. Particularly in
Portugal, at the time I drove on them, these 'unsurfaced' roads were so
good that they were better than the (at that time) M25 which was full
of pot-holes and difficult to drive safely on.
Although https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Highways is the obvious
choice to look at, I actually find that 
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Highway_Tag_Africa explains it
better.
Regards & Happy Mapping / Surveying
Nick(Tallguy)
On Sun, 2020-12-13 at 10:08 +0000, Edward Bainton wrote:
> >  https://85a.uk/noverton_farm_1280x800.jpg
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> > It seems daft to me that the mud gets rendered but not the
> hardcore. If
> > I change the "driveway" to "track" that would be the dreaded
> tagging for
> > the renderer would it not? Generally in this part of the world
> "track"
> > means mud, rather than a roadway suitable for all vehicles.
> 
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> I don't know what part of the world you're in, but by my Fenland
> lights, I'd probably call that a track, not a driveway - certainly
> once it passes the farm buildings (since I see a driveway as implying
> car-worthy access to a building). 
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> Would that solve it? Driveway as far as the farm and then track?
> 
> 
> I'm going to risk blasphemy and suggest that tagging for the renderer
> is what we all do, all day (or why map?). The problem imo is "fudging
> it for the renderer", or "outright lying for the renderer". In this
> case, I'd say track is a valid choice - I think even for the whole
> length, if by "driveway" we infer something, short, tidy, and
> suburban.
> 
> 
> But I'm still a spring chicken round here, relatively speaking, and I
> await correction by my olders.
> 
> On Sun, 13 Dec 2020 at 09:09, Nick Whitelegg via Talk-GB <
> talk-gb at openstreetmap.org> wrote:
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> > >Getting back to this
> >  case, this is the farm drive. Beyond the
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> > >cattle-grid the public
> >  bridleway continues left through the farm
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> > >buildings, and the surface
> >  deteriorates to the usual farm mud:
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> >   >https://85a.uk/noverton_farm_1280x800.jpg
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> > Apologies for going off topic, but I knew that name (Noverton Farm)
> > sounded familiar.
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> > A quick check of where it is would explain why. In 1998 I did a 
> > long distance walk from Sussex to the Peak District, following
> > ordinary footpaths (planned using OS maps) and went through this
> > area, the Teme Valley. It was very nice
> > but the footpaths were in an appaling state of disrepair, I
> > remember on several occasions that day having to scramble through
> > dense shrub cover and attempt to negotiate barbed-wire fences. I
> > seem to recall Noverton Farm as being the site of some particularly
> >  badly-maintained footpaths.
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> > As an aside this walk is what indirectly got me into OSM. I wanted
> > to illustrate the walk on the internet but OS licensing did not
> > permit it, which is how I started Freemap and then later got
> > involved with OSM. I still haven't illustrated this walk
> > incidentally,
> >  but...
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> > Would be interested to find out if the area has improved since..
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> > Nick
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> > From: Martin Wynne <martin at templot.com>
> > 
> > Sent: 12 December 2020 14:30
> > 
> > To: talk-gb at openstreetmap.org <talk-gb at openstreetmap.org>
> > 
> > Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] driveway-becomes-track
> >  
> > 
> > 
> > On 12/12/2020 13:15, Andy Townsend wrote:
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> > > Ultimately, if "something needs doing", "someone" will need to do
> > it. 
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> > > Perhaps that someone is you?
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> > 
> > Hi Andy,
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> > 
> > Yes that someone could be me. I have a server (located in
> > Columbus, 
> > 
> > Ohio) on which I am using only a fraction of the available memory
> > space 
> > 
> > and bandwidth. I have been thinking of making better use of it,
> > possibly 
> > 
> > by hosting something from OSM.
> > 
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> >  >  I'd suggest setting up a copy of the
> > 
> >  > standard map rendering as per 
> > https://switch2osm.org/serving-tiles/
> > 
> >  > (just for Worcestershire would be fine) and start tinkering with
> > the
> > 
> >  > logic that decides what sort of service road is what, such as
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> > 
> > https://github.com/gravitystorm/openstreetmap-carto/blob/b10aef3866bacf387581b8fea4eec265010b0d14/project.mml#L475
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> > Thanks. I have been looking at 
> > https://switch2osm.org/serving-tiles/ but
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> > I have a lot to learn. I can do Windows programming, but on stuff
> > for 
> > 
> > the web I'm only a dabbler. I looked at Mapnik and saw interfaces
> > only 
> > 
> > for Python and C. If that had been Pascal, I would have dived in by
> > now.
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> > I will have another look and see where I might start. The idea of 
> > 
> > creating my own map does appeal to me.
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> > Getting back to this case, this is the farm drive. Beyond the 
> > 
> > cattle-grid the public bridleway continues left through the farm 
> > 
> > buildings, and the surface deteriorates to the usual farm mud:
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >   https://85a.uk/noverton_farm_1280x800.jpg
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > It seems daft to me that the mud gets rendered but not the
> > hardcore. If 
> > 
> > I change the "driveway" to "track" that would be the dreaded
> > tagging for 
> > 
> > the renderer would it not? Generally in this part of the world
> > "track" 
> > 
> > means mud, rather than a roadway suitable for all vehicles.
> > 
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> > 
> > This is where the farm drive leaves the road - this is definitely
> > more 
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> > than a "track" - note the double gates:
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> >   https://goo.gl/maps/XEs4XKs5UUHNBt8E8
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> > cheers,
> > 
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> > 
> > Martin.
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