[Talk-GB] Scheduled Monument

Nick nick at foresters.org
Thu Jul 23 09:35:44 UTC 2020

My apologies, I have just realised this discussion only relates to 
english tags.

Is it worth discussing in tandem what happens in other parts of GB 
(separate thread)? for example, in Scotland the "Garden & Designed 
Landscape" designation don't have individual grades (category) but are 
generally designated ("Status: Designated") and given a unique reference 
e.g. GDL00351

On 23/07/2020 09:00, Mark Goodge wrote:
> On 22/07/2020 23:02, Dave Love wrote:
>> On Wed, 2020-07-15 at 10:18 +0100, Tony OSM wrote:
>>> For a building or similar I presently use
>>> HE_ref=1072653
>>> heritage=2
>>> heritage:operator= Historic England
>>> historic= heritage
>>> listed_status=Grade II
>>> name= War Memorial Gateway to Astley Park
>>> barrier=gate
>>> start_date= mid C19
>>> website=
>>> https://historicengland.org.uk/listing/the-list/list-entry/1072653
>> I forgot to comment before:  From a maintenance point of view, is it a
>> good idea to add redundant data (that I assume are implied by HE_ref)?
> The HE_Ref is probably the important one, as that links back to the 
> original data source. But the rest of it seems a reasonable way of 
> tagging listed buildings.
>> Also:
>> On Thu, 2020-07-16 at 14:10 +0100, Tony OSM wrote:
>>> Yes, maintenance when things change is an issue.
>>> I've looked at taginfo listed_status and found several variations
>>> for
>>> Scheduled Monument, Grade(value)
>>> I plan to do several things if there are no objections
>>> 1. update wiki listed_status to show the capitalised values
>>> Scheduled
>>> Monument, Protected Wreck Site,
>>> Park and Garden, Battlefield, World Heritage Site, Certificate of
>>> Immunity, Building Preservation Notice
>> What happens to, say, a park/garden with a grade, then?
> Parks and Gardens are, typically, not listed buildings and don't have 
> grades in the same way.
>> Straying a bit from the topic a bit, perhaps it's worth adding
>> something about adding listed things that may not be obvious to
>> everyone.  If you find in the HE listings a building (say) you don't
>> already know and want to tag it, presumably it's a problem that you
>> can't just match the position on their OS maps to OSM.  I assume you
>> need to take the listed grid reference and just use that (which you
>> probably can't with curtilages etc. or a monument like an ancient
>> ditch, though that's likely on NLS 1:10000).  The wiki could use info
>> about converting grid references too, unless I missed it.
> The re-usable data for listed buildings only contains a point, so 
> that's the only useful geographic data for them even if the map on the 
> HE website shows the curtilage. Some of the data for monuments 
> includes a polygon, but not all, and you can't tell from the website 
> which does and which doesn't - you have to download and convert the 
> shapefiles.
> Mark
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