[Talk-GB] Scheduled Monument

Tony OSM tonyosm9 at gmail.com
Thu Jul 30 14:36:42 UTC 2020


I did know of that plug-in so i created my own

<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?>
<presets xmlns="http://josm.openstreetmap.de/tagging-preset-1.0" >
<item name=" Historic England Listing" type="node,way,closedway" 
             <label text="Tagging for Historic England building in 
England" />
href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:listed_status" />
             <key key="heritage" value="2" />
             <key key="heritage:operator" value="Historic England" />
             <key key="historic" value="heritage" />
             <combo key="listed_status" text="which Grade?" 
values="Grade I, Grade II*, Grade II" />
             <text key="HE_ref" text="Listing Ref (e.g. 1362068)" />
             <text key="website" text="url of HE page" />
             <text key="operator" text="who runs the site?" />
             <text key="start_date" text="when was the building built?" />
             <space />
   </item> <!-- Historic England listing -->

to produce tags

HE_ref=123456 (example)
heritage:operator=Historic England
listed_status=Grade II* (from dropdown list - must extend this to 
include Scheduled Monument etc)
operator=an operator (example)
start_date=2022 (example)
website=a:url (example)


On 30/07/2020 13:00, Nick wrote:
> In relation to this, I wondered if anyone using JOSM has reviewed the 
> preset https://josm.openstreetmap.de/wiki/Presets/Heritage? For 
> example, it seems that for England the use of he:criteria has been 
> used to tag listed buildings. Should this preset use a drop down for 
> he:criteria with values for the NHLE heritage listings? Taking this 
> further, should the preset also have a drop down for Listed Building 
> listed_status?
> On 23/07/2020 15:12, Nick wrote:
>> Out of interest, I note that in England the 'List Entry Number' 
>> appears to be simply numeric, which does not appear to give an 
>> indication of the type of designation. Perhaps I have not picked that 
>> up correctly.
>> N.B. in Scotland, designations have a code + numeric listing e.g. 
>> HMPA2 (which is a Historic Marine Protected Area). This makes it 
>> easier to identify by the listing as to the type of heritage 
>> designation (suggest that code references/descriptors could be 
>> included on a wiki for ref:hs=*)
>> On 23/07/2020 11:39, Tony OSM wrote:
>>> Hi
>>> When I started mapping these objects I looked at what other people 
>>> had done and followed suit. I looked at 
>>> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Contributors#United_Kingdom and 
>>> saw a the statement
>>>         /National Heritage List for England (Historic England)/
>>> //
>>> /The Historic Buildings and Monuments Commission for England 
>>> (commonly known as //Historic England 
>>> <https://historicengland.org.uk/>//) has given permission for the 
>>> //National Heritage List for England 
>>> <https://historicengland.org.uk/listing/the-list/data-downloads/>//(NHLE) 
>>> to be used in OSM under the terms of the //Open Government Licence 
>>> v3 
>>> <http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/doc/open-government-licence/version/3/>//. 
>>> //[10] 
>>> <https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/re_use_request_for_national_heri>//No 
>>> specific attribution was requested, so the default: "Contains public 
>>> sector information licensed under the Open Government Licence v3.0." 
>>> applies. The NHLE includes the following heritage listings: /
>>> //
>>>   * /Listed buildings (see //Key:listed_status
>>>     <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:listed_status>//)/
>>>   * /Scheduled monuments/
>>>   * /Protected wreck sites/
>>>   * /Registered parks and gardens/
>>>   * /Registered battlefields/
>>>   * /World Heritage Sites/
>>>   * /Buildings with Building Preservation Notices (BPNs)/
>>> Revisiting today I think England is OK to use the data, but what 
>>> about Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland and Isle Of Man ..........
>>> On 23/07/2020 10:47, Robert Skedgell wrote:
>>>> On 15/07/2020 10:18, Tony OSM wrote:
>>>>> Whilst mapping some of my local historic places I have found Scheduled
>>>>> Monuments. They are described in the Historic England list as Heritage
>>>>> Category: Scheduled Monument and has a List Entry Number.
>>>>> Building are listed as Heritage Category: Listed Building , Grade: (I,
>>>>> II*, II) and a list entry number.
>>>> I have a related question about using data from the Historic England
>>>> list. How can we comply with the attribution requirement in para. 2 of
>>>> OS Open Data Licence Agreement used by HE (below)? Some of this may be
>>>> covered by OSM's general license and acknowledgements, but would an
>>>> additional tag on the object be required?
>>>> Ordnance Survey Open Data Licence Agreement
>>>> Historic England is able to license the use of a number of its spatial
>>>> data sets for use in Geographic Information Systems (GIS) ("Historic
>>>> England GIS Data") for commercial and non-commercial use.
>>>> 1. Subject to the terms below, you are now granted a worldwide,
>>>> perpetual, non-exclusive licence to use this Historic England GIS Data.
>>>> You may:
>>>> - copy, publish, distribute and transmit the Historic England GIS Data
>>>> - adapt or modify the Historic England GIS Data
>>>> - exploit the Historic England GIS Data commercially for example by
>>>> combining it with other information or by including it in your own
>>>> product or application
>>>> 2. You must always use the following attribution statements to
>>>> acknowledge the source of the information:
>>>> © Historic England [year]. Contains Ordnance Survey data © Crown
>>>> copyright and database right [year] The Historic England GIS Data
>>>> contained in this material was obtained on [date]. The most publicly
>>>> available up to date Historic England GIS Data can be obtained from
>>>> http://www.HistoricEngland.org.uk.
>>>> 3. The same requirement for an attribution statement must be contained
>>>> in any sub-licences of the Historic England GIS Data that you grant,
>>>> together with a requirement that any further sub-licences do the same.
>>>> 4. You must ensure that you do not use the Historic England GIS Data in
>>>> a way which suggests any official status or that Historic England has
>>>> endorsed you or your use of the Historic England GIS Data.
>>>> 5. The Historic England GIS Data must not be used for purposes which may
>>>> lead to damage to archaeological sites, historic buildings and landscapes.
>>>> 6. You must not mislead others or misrepresent the Historic England GIS
>>>> Data or its source.
>>>> 7. This licence does not give you permission to use any Historic England
>>>> trade marks or logos.
>>>> 8. You must ensure your use of the Historic England GIS Data complies
>>>> with the Data Protection Act 1998 or the Privacy and Electronic
>>>> Communications (EC Directive) Regulations 2003.
>>>> 9. The Historic England GIS Data is updated on a regular basis. It is
>>>> current only to the date of the dataset as given on the downloadable data.
>>>> 10. All intellectual proprietary rights in this Historic England GIS
>>>> Data and the documentation remain vested in Historic England and its
>>>> licensors. Where Ordnance Survey base mapping has been used to create
>>>> certain Historic England GIS Data, Ordnance Survey claims Intellectual
>>>> Property Rights in the data. As such, Historic England GIS Data is
>>>> subject to the terms of the Ordnance Survey Open Data Licence – a copy
>>>> of which can be found here.
>>>> 11. Spatial data is provided solely to indicate the location of the
>>>> designated area. The spatial data for listed buildings does not indicate
>>>> the extent of a listing or the curtilage.
>>>> 12. The Historic England GIS Data is licensed 'as is' and Historic
>>>> England excludes all representations, warranties, obligations and
>>>> liabilities in relation to the Historic England GIS Data to the maximum
>>>> extent permitted by law.
>>>> 13. Historic England will not be liable (whether directly or indirectly)
>>>> for any loss or damages arising out of or in connection with any use of
>>>> the Historic England GIS Data, any infringement of third party
>>>> intellectual property rights or any decisions made on the basis of this
>>>> data.
>>>> 14. Historic England is not liable for any errors or omissions in the
>>>> Historic England GIS Data and shall not be liable for any loss, injury
>>>> or damage of any kind caused by its use. Historic England does not
>>>> guarantee the continued supply of the Historic England GIS Data.
>>>> 15. Nothing in this licence shall exclude Historic England's liability
>>>> for death or personal injury caused by negligence, or for fraud.
>>>> 16. Historic England may terminate this licence if you are in material
>>>> breach of its terms and fail to remedy any breach (if capable of remedy)
>>>> within 14 days of being notified by Historic England. If Historic
>>>> England does terminate this licence you must immediately stop all use of
>>>> the Historic England GIS Data and terminate any sub-licences of the
>>>> material containing the Historic England GIS Data.
>>>> 17. A person who is not a party to this licence shall not have any right
>>>> under the Contract (Rights of Third Parties) Act 1999 to enforce any of
>>>> its terms.
>>>> 18. This licence (including any non-contractual disputes) is governed
>>>> by, and will be construed in accordance with, English law and the
>>>> exclusive jurisdiction of the English courts.
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