[Talk-GB] Scheduled Monument

Nick nick at foresters.org
Thu Jul 30 12:00:50 UTC 2020

In relation to this, I wondered if anyone using JOSM has reviewed the 
preset https://josm.openstreetmap.de/wiki/Presets/Heritage? For example, 
it seems that for England the use of he:criteria has been used to tag 
listed buildings. Should this preset use a drop down for he:criteria 
with values for the NHLE heritage listings? Taking this further, should 
the preset also have a drop down for Listed Building listed_status?

On 23/07/2020 15:12, Nick wrote:
> Out of interest, I note that in England the 'List Entry Number' 
> appears to be simply numeric, which does not appear to give an 
> indication of the type of designation. Perhaps I have not picked that 
> up correctly.
> N.B. in Scotland, designations have a code + numeric listing e.g. 
> HMPA2 (which is a Historic Marine Protected Area). This makes it 
> easier to identify by the listing as to the type of heritage 
> designation (suggest that code references/descriptors could be 
> included on a wiki for ref:hs=*)
> On 23/07/2020 11:39, Tony OSM wrote:
>> Hi
>> When I started mapping these objects I looked at what other people 
>> had done and followed suit. I looked at 
>> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Contributors#United_Kingdom and 
>> saw a the statement
>>         /National Heritage List for England (Historic England)/
>> //
>> /The Historic Buildings and Monuments Commission for England 
>> (commonly known as //Historic England 
>> <https://historicengland.org.uk/>//) has given permission for the 
>> //National Heritage List for England 
>> <https://historicengland.org.uk/listing/the-list/data-downloads/>//(NHLE) 
>> to be used in OSM under the terms of the //Open Government Licence v3 
>> <http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/doc/open-government-licence/version/3/>//. 
>> //[10] 
>> <https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/re_use_request_for_national_heri>//No 
>> specific attribution was requested, so the default: "Contains public 
>> sector information licensed under the Open Government Licence v3.0." 
>> applies. The NHLE includes the following heritage listings: /
>> //
>>   * /Listed buildings (see //Key:listed_status
>>     <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:listed_status>//)/
>>   * /Scheduled monuments/
>>   * /Protected wreck sites/
>>   * /Registered parks and gardens/
>>   * /Registered battlefields/
>>   * /World Heritage Sites/
>>   * /Buildings with Building Preservation Notices (BPNs)/
>> Revisiting today I think England is OK to use the data, but what 
>> about Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland and Isle Of Man ..........
>> On 23/07/2020 10:47, Robert Skedgell wrote:
>>> On 15/07/2020 10:18, Tony OSM wrote:
>>>> Whilst mapping some of my local historic places I have found Scheduled
>>>> Monuments. They are described in the Historic England list as Heritage
>>>> Category: Scheduled Monument and has a List Entry Number.
>>>> Building are listed as Heritage Category: Listed Building , Grade: (I,
>>>> II*, II) and a list entry number.
>>> I have a related question about using data from the Historic England
>>> list. How can we comply with the attribution requirement in para. 2 of
>>> OS Open Data Licence Agreement used by HE (below)? Some of this may be
>>> covered by OSM's general license and acknowledgements, but would an
>>> additional tag on the object be required?
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