[Talk-GB] Tagging showgrounds
Jez Nicholson
jez.nicholson at gmail.com
Wed May 13 11:40:12 UTC 2020
By all means create a UK-specific page to document discussions, show
differences to the rest of the world, and/or state how we do things round
these parts. The naming convention is "[Primary subject] in the United
Kingdom", as in "Showgrounds in the United Kingdom".
On Wed, May 13, 2020 at 12:30 PM Paul Berry <pmberry2007 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Not sure about the tagging/proposal politics but since there are a small
> number of showgrounds, is there anything to stop a UK-specific page being
> set up on the Wiki for visibility? Then if anyone wants to harmonise the
> tags they can use that as a guide to do so.
>
> There's nothing to say we can't tag in any way we want—and again for this
> small collection of entities which are clearly all the same fundamental
> object—it's only if we want people to be consistent, or to adopt our tags,
> that we would need to go through the process of proposed tag adoption.
>
> Regards,
> *Paul*
>
> On Wed, 13 May 2020 at 10:10, nathan case <nathancase at outlook.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> Just to drag this back up - I encountered an unmapped showground
>> (Chipping, Lancashire) whilst adding PROWs and don't know the best way to
>> tag. It appears to hold a several large shows each year (well presumably
>> not this year!) but doesn't appear to be a recreational site.
>>
>> I found this abandoned proposal for amenity=show_grounds:
>> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/show_grounds It's
>> a shame it never got traction as it might enable us to come to some
>> consensus on these sites. Can an abandoned proposal be re-opened or does it
>> have to be re-proposed?
>>
>> Cheers.
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Andy Townsend <ajt1047 at gmail.com>
>> Sent: 25 February 2020 00:23
>> To: talk-gb at openstreetmap.org
>> Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] Tagging showgrounds
>>
>> Since I was going through these anyway to see what ought to be rendered
>> at map.atownsend.org.uk, I thought I might as well list them here too.
>> These are things "tagged a bit like showgrounds, excluding bus stops and
>> car parks", sorted by one of the main tags.
>>
>> I suspect that the ones tagged just "place", "landuse=grass" or
>> "tourism=attraction" only probably need some other tag to say "this is a
>> showground". "events_venue" might be a misunderstanding of what that tag
>> was for. "recreation_ground" may be correct in some cases but I suspect
>> isn't in many others. "park" I'd be similarly surprised if it was often
>> correct. In most or all cases it probably needs a local to make the call,
>> though...
>>
>> place:
>>
>>
>> https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/2382298440
>> name Mannsfield Showground
>> place locality
>> source OS OpenData StreetView
>>
>> https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/3416147963
>> name Great Harwood Showground
>> place neighbourhood
>>
>> https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/4347790541
>> addr:postcode BS37 8QZ
>> addr:street Westerleigh Road
>> name The Windmill Fisheries Showground place locality
>>
>>
>> events_venue only:
>>
>> https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/5849512782
>> alt_name Royal Cornwall Event Centre amenity events_venue name
>> Royal Cornwall Showground
>>
>> https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/6938439833
>> amenity events_venue
>> name Hertfordshire County Showground operator Hertfordshire
>> Country Council
>>
>>
>> tourism=attraction only:
>>
>> https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/283445694
>> name Devon County Showground
>> tourism attraction
>>
>> https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/91401877
>> name Kent Showground
>> source Bing
>> tourism attraction
>>
>> https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/40942963
>> barrier fence
>> name Norfolk Showground
>> tourism attraction
>>
>> https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/316706558
>> name Great Yorkshire Showground
>> tourism attraction
>>
>> https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/104155888
>> barrier fence
>> name Royal Bath and West of England Showground tourism attraction
>>
>> https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/239487854
>> name Hennock Showground
>> tourism attraction
>>
>> https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/178396540
>> addr:city Newark
>> addr:postcode NG24 2NY
>> addr:street Lincoln Road
>> alt_name Newark Show Ground
>> name Newark Showground
>> operator Newark & Nottinghamshire Agricultural Society phone +44
>> 1636 705796 tourism attraction website
>> http://www.newarkshowground.com/ wikidata Q15262122
>>
>> https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/274093728
>> name Lincolnshire Showground
>> tourism attraction
>>
>>
>> recreation_ground only:
>>
>> https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/603746353
>> alt_name Briscwm Fields
>> description Normally farmland, Used to hold events such as the
>> Cardigan County Agricultural Show.
>> landuse recreation_ground
>> name Cardigan County Showground
>> note Located from information on Coflein.
>> phone +44 1545 570501
>> recreation_ground showground
>> website https://cardigancountyshow.org.uk/
>>
>> https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/34993687
>> landuse recreation_ground
>> name Mirfield Showground
>>
>> https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/89151502
>> addr:city Peterborough
>> addr:housename Peterborough Arena
>> addr:postcode PE2 6XE
>> addr:street East of England Showground landuse recreation_ground
>> name East of England Showground phone +44 1733 363500 website
>> http://www.peterborougharena.com wheelchair yes
>>
>> https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/415636494
>> leisure recreation_ground
>> name Christow Playing Fields and Showground
>>
>> https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/4587165
>> leisure recreation_ground
>> name Essex Showground
>> source approximate
>>
>> https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/30813084
>> leisure recreation_ground
>> name North Somerset Showground
>> tourism attraction
>>
>> https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/547075306
>> addr:postcode LE15 7TW
>> addr:street Burley Park Way
>> landuse recreation_ground
>> name Rutland Showground
>> note The new county showground site.
>> source EsriWorldImagery
>> website https://www.rutlandshowground.com/
>>
>> https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/588128321
>> leisure recreation_ground
>> name Strithians Showground
>>
>> https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/26748908
>> landuse recreation_ground
>> name Penistone Show Ground
>>
>> https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/234890106
>> landuse recreation_ground
>> name Pateley Bridge Show Ground
>>
>>
>> landuse=grass:
>>
>> https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/487690483
>> landuse grass
>> name Midsuffolk Showground
>>
>> https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/741042350
>> landuse grass
>> name Hertfordshire Country Showground
>>
>> https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/103153435
>> landuse grass
>> name Border Union Showground
>> note Showground
>> old_name Bridge-end Haugh
>> operator Border Union Agricultural Society
>>
>> and associated with that is:
>> https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/137564594
>> name Border Union Showground Exhibition Centre tourism attraction
>>
>> https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/100122713
>> access restricted
>> fee yes
>> landuse grass
>> name Ingliston Showground
>>
>> https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/530740455
>> landuse grass
>> name Royal Isle of Wight Agricultural Society County Show Ground
>>
>> https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/28182679
>> landuse grass
>> name Orsett Show Ground
>> source Yahoo
>>
>>
>> landuse=farmyard:
>>
>> https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/510512248
>> landuse farmyard
>> name Edenbridge and Oxted Showground
>>
>> https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/406051035
>> landuse farmyard
>> leisure sports_centre
>> name Felbridge Showground
>> sport equestrian
>>
>>
>> leisure=park:
>>
>> https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/161362655
>> leisure park
>> name Agricultural Showground
>> note exhibition ground
>>
>> https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/98206321
>> leisure park
>> name Staffordshire County Showground source Bing
>>
>>
>> Other tags:
>>
>> https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/65754693
>> landuse village_green
>> leisure common
>> name Cranleigh Showground
>> source GPS,knowledge
>>
>> https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/156074625
>> addr:postcode CO7 7QL
>> amenity show_ground
>> landuse recreation_ground
>> name Ardleigh Showground
>>
>> https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/231760526
>> amenity show_grounds
>> note Used for Ashover Show
>> source View from N;Bing;local_knowledge
>>
>> https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/558087836
>> amenity exhibition_centre
>> landuse recreation_ground
>> name Grasmere Showground
>> operator Grasmere Sports Committee
>>
>> https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/118043186
>> amenity show_grounds
>> landuse grass
>> name Turnpike Showground
>>
>> https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/5883047051
>> ground showground
>> landuse recreation_ground
>> name Winterton Showground
>> wheelchair limited
>>
>> https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/511751765
>> leisure recreation_ground
>> name Hickstead Showground
>> sport equestrian
>> surface grass
>> (I guess not primarily known as an agricultural showground)
>>
>> https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/169234258
>> landuse meadow
>> name RJA&HS Showground
>>
>> https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/48473181
>> amenity showground
>> area yes
>> landuse grass
>> name West Mids Showground
>>
>> https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/72520259
>> leisure sports_centre
>> name The Dorset Showground
>> source local_knowledge
>> sport equestrian
>>
>> https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/26160926
>> alt_name South of England Showground amenity events_centre
>> leisure showground name Ardingly Showground
>>
>> https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/626517837
>> addr:city Thatcham
>> addr:postcode RG18 9QZ
>> addr:street Priors Court Road
>> alt_name Newbury Showground
>> leisure recreation_ground
>> name Newbury Show Ground
>> operator Newbury & District Agricultural Society recreation_ground
>> showground tourism attraction
>>
>> https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/639908113
>> amenity showground
>> name Driffield Showground
>>
>> https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/67375462
>> amenity showground
>> landuse grass
>> name Royal Cheshire Show Ground
>>
>> https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/93280648
>> amenity festival_grounds
>> name Royal Welsh Agricultural Society Showground
>>
>> https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/343689161
>> amenity show_grounds
>> name Manby Showground
>> note now closed
>>
>> https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/35432806
>> amenity showground
>> landuse grass
>> name Three Counties Showground
>> note car parks across road to south may also belong to showground?
>> source local_knowledge
>>
>> and finally, untagged as a showground:
>>
>> Bakewell
>>
>> https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=16/53.2114/-1.6674
>>
>> (there are more of these - look for bus stops tagged "showground" to find
>> them!)
>>
>>
>> Best Regards,
>>
>> Andy
>>
>>
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