[Talk-GB] Rights of way mapping - making it easy for newcomers to OSM (perhaps!)

[Tony OSM]

Hi Nick

I like the two stage approach - surveying then mapping. It would work 
well - some of my friends like walking but can't map to save their life, 
whereas I can't walk far but love mapping - Win Win for us all.


May I suggest that a layer be created for JOSM with all the paths and 
their details as provided for MapThePaths. Personally I find it easier 
to work with JOSM and I have learnt to create a style to highlight 
PROW's, but I don't know how to create a JOSM layer.

Separate layers would allow us to manually transfer from PROW layer to 
MAP layer thus avoiding the mechanical import rules, and would allow us 
to manually conflate where a path is already mapped but PROW data is absent.

A layer containing the surveyed GPS data so that all the sources we need 
are available would be awesome.


I may be asking for a workflow that is close to existing, if that is the 
case I am able to test and document the workflow for the UK wiki if that 
would be helpful.


Tony Shield

TonyS999


On 13/05/2020 18:11, Nick Whitelegg wrote:
>
> Oops... sorry one or two editing errors in the last paragraph.
>
> I meant to say:
>
> "They [the non-expert user] select ROW type and path surface via a 
> nice interface, and then a tagged GPX trace is generated, *with 
> trksegs tagged with ROW designation and surface* (which was done by 
> the first version of the app anyway). This is then uploaded to the 
> MapThePaths server, and volunteer expert users *are alerted*. Said 
> expert user then downloads the GPX trace and, *using the tags in the 
> trksegs of the GPX* then edits in JOSM, perhaps via a JOSM plugin - or 
> even directly in the MapThePaths web app. (I am possibly thinking of 
> adding way creation into the MapThePaths web app anyway, time depending)."
>
> Nick
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> *From:* Nick Whitelegg
> *Sent:* 13 May 2020 18:08
> *To:* talk-gb at openstreetmap.org <talk-gb at openstreetmap.org>
> *Subject:* Rights of way mapping - making it easy for newcomers to OSM 
> (perhaps!)
> Hi,
>
> Just to continue with the theme of rights of way mapping, I've been 
> noticing that there are still large tracts of England and Wales away 
> from the 'honeypot' areas with little or now ROW mapping at all 
> meaning there's still quite a big job to be done.
>
> As you may remember I have been developing a companion app to 
> MapThePaths. In the first version of this (around two years ago) I 
> experimented with auto-converting GPX traces to OSM ways. However I 
> was dissatisfied with the results, the ways generated were really 
> rather nasty and I ended up having to prettify them significantly in 
> JOSM afterwards, rendering the auto-creation facility a little 
> pointless. Consequently later versions of the app have focused on 
> merely presenting the council and OSM data overlaid (like the 
> website),  with only limited editing facilities, to change the 
> designation of a path.
>
> However (and I may have mentioned this before, it's been a while) I am 
> wondering about a 'two-user' approach in which a new user merely does 
> the GPX survey, using an easy to use UI (a refined version of the 
> MapThePaths app with the UI re-designed by someone more versed in UX 
> than myself).
>
> They select ROW type and path surface via a nice interface, and then a 
> tagged GPX trace is generated (which was done by the first version of 
> the app anyway). This is then uploaded to the MapThePaths server, and 
> volunteer expert users. Said expert user then downloads the GPX trace 
> and then edits in JOSM, perhaps via a JOSM plugin - or even directly 
> in the MapThePaths web app. (I am possibly thinking of adding way 
> creation into the MapThePaths web app anyway, time depending).
>
> Any thoughts?
>
> Thanks,
> Nick
>
>
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