[Talk-GB] hgv=discouraged

Ed Loach edloach at gmail.com
Mon May 25 07:58:10 UTC 2020


I used motor_vehicle=unsuitable here https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/26551700 for want of a better tag. I wouldn't ever drive it, as having walked it and seen all the scrapes in the road surface where cars bottom out on the sharp transition from the steep slopes up to the bridge to the horizontal bit over the railway I wouldn't want to risk the damage to my car. Many people do though - presumably in company cars.

Ed
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From: Philip Barnes <phil at trigpoint.me.uk>
Sent: Monday, May 25, 2020 1:29:00 AM
To: talk-gb at openstreetmap.org <talk-gb at openstreetmap.org>
Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] hgv=discouraged

Hi Mateusz
You would need to venture deep into the rural UK to start finding these signs, they are quite common around here.
An example here
https://www.mapillary.com/map/im/Hys6QlJfrRC9fNHsPzeTTQ

This one is just narrow, with few ad-hoc passing places, places to squeeze to allow another car to pass but certainly not a hgv. Meet one and hopefully you are good at reversing.

One thing that was not mentioned on the international list was there is also Unsuitable for Motor Vehicles.

An example here
https://www.mapillary.com/map/im/7DD5trbqVEil3AKJCJeJDg

In practical terms the question is what does this mean.
Well its not a good idea for a router to use these roads blindly, so although this example I have driven through it many times.
The practical problems are that it is a narrow single track road, no space to turn and after a heavy rain it likely to be under deep water which can flood and destroy the engine of a modern car.
Would I drive through there tomorrow, well yes. I know it has been dry for the last week.

Another here https://www.mapillary.com/map/im/y3zTGNAT7MgGtxoaGXPUvQ
Well its officially an unclassified road, not a green lane or county road, many practical roads have this category.

It deteriorates into a very muddy, deeply rutted track. I have walked it, but no way would I attempt to drive the full length of it. Premises need to to approched from the right end.


Discouraged does seem to be a reasonable tag, effectivly =destination but a hgv driver in particular does need to know which end to approch from.

Phil (trigpoint)



On Mon, 2020-05-25 at 01:31 +0200, Mateusz Konieczny via Talk-GB wrote:
I created
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:hgv%3Ddiscouraged
based on https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:access content
and what I found on internet.

Triggered by post on an international mailing list by someone who was unaware
that we have a way to tag "Unsuitable for Heavy Goods Vehicles" signs.

I never was in UK, but content at https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:access
about "discouraged" value seemed to be a good idea.

Review is welcomed - is it matching reality and how OSM community maps such objects?

This new page should be found by
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?search=%22Unsuitable+for+Heavy+Goods+Vehicles%22&title=Special%3ASearch&go=Go
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?search=Unsuitable+for+HGV&title=Special%3ASearch&profile=default&fulltext=1
searches

(and that was primary reason for creating it).


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