[Talk-GB] Hello world and automated change proposal: Add missing URL scheme on UK's Pubs websites

[Dan S]

Hi Rodrigo

Before you create a vote on the wiki, can I suggest a different
method? "OSM UK" has started using Loomio for discussions and votes,
and it generally seems to work out well. I think Loomio is designed
for the purpose of making good decisions together:
https://www.loomio.org/openstreetmap-uk/

I'm sorry, I don't wish to confuse you with tools and differing opinions...

Cheers
Dan

Op ma 28 sep. 2020 om 15:31 schreef Rodrigo Díez Villamuera
<rodrigo at rodrigodiez.io>:
>
> Thanks all of you for your messages.
>
> As a new joiner, I could not ask for more than other members engaging in such a passionate way :)
>
> It's fair to say that there is no clear consensus of whether the proposal, in its current form, is acceptable or not. So, I am going to create a voting section on the wiki page to help us visualise what people think
>
> However, before I do that I would like to reply to a point that was made by Andy
>
> Andy,
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> I'm not actually convinced that's a problem - as others have said, web browsers are perfectly capable of converting "www.mypub.com" into either "https://www.mypub.com"or ""http://www.mypub.com"as appropriate, so this doesn't really add any value.  "Letting the browser sort it out" is a great approach as it can deal with now/near future things such as removal TLS 1.0 and 1.1 support as well.
>
> This is not true based on my experience. I just tested on the latest version of Chrome and Firefox and, if the URL scheme is not specified, they both open the the URL using http even if https is also available for it.
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> You may have experienced a behaviour by which the user gets redirected from the http url to the https one but that depends on the configuration of the site server which is not always set-up.
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> This is also well documented for Firefox here: https://wiki.mozilla.org/Firefox/URL_Bar_Algorithm
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> I see value in updating schemaless :website tags with the https version if available.
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> On Mon, 28 Sep 2020 at 13:50, Andy Mabbett <andy at pigsonthewing.org.uk> wrote:
>>
>> On Mon, 28 Sep 2020 at 10:00, Frederik Ramm <frederik at remote.org> wrote:
>>
>> > The change you plan to execute is of limited use. Yes, it ensures more
>> > conformity in the data, but it will be a temporary fix (since new
>> > "wrong" URLs can be added at any time).
>>
>> This seems like an argument for never fixing any error.
>>
>> > So what your edit does is, it "touches" lots of objects and adds no
>> > meaningful information whatsoever.
>>
>> This statement is false, not least because in some cases "http://" is
>> added, in others "https://"; each of those - and the difference
>> between them - conveys meaningful information.
>>
>> > It creates load on the database
>>
>> The level of load is trivial. Have our database maintainers ever said
>> that a load of such small magnitude is problematic?
>>
>> > There are many, many better ways to contribute to OSM than runnning a
>> > useless automated conformity edit. Take a notebook or mobile editor, go
>> > outside, check if the phone booths on OSM are still there on the ground,
>> > add a few opening times, or even trees for that matter - a single hour
>> > of such original work is more useful to OSM that what you are proposing
>> > here.
>>
>> Denigrating another's contribution - a valid and valuable contribution
>> - in this manner is antithetical to the spirit in which OSM activity
>> is supposed to be conducted.
>>
>> > Remember: OSM is not an IT project.
>>
>> Of course it is. "Information technology (IT) is the use of computers
>> to store, retrieve, transmit, and manipulate data or information." [1]
>>
>>
>> [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Information_technology
>>
>> --
>> Andy Mabbett
>> @pigsonthewing
>> http://pigsonthewing.org.uk
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