[Talk-GB] Historic England - tagging guidelines - can we agree on the English usage

[Tony Shield]

I haven't forgotten this - work and some thought have intervened.

The agreed basis is

heritage:operator=Historic England
heritage:operator=Cadw
heritage:operator=Historic Environment Scotland
heritage:operator=Northern Ireland Environment Agency

ref:GB:he=12345
ref:GB:hs=LB2345
ref:GB:cadw=34567
ref:GB:niea=55643

this also works for non statutory organisations eg CAMRA

heritage:operator=CAMRA

ref:GB:CAMRA=xyz

I think that in the case where an object is in two or more lists e.g. 
Chirk Aqueduct then relations needs to be used, my concept is

object Z - tagged with physical properties, it is then a member in two 
relations, a relation A holding Historic England refs and a relation B 
holding Cadw refs. This relation method also works for example a pub in 
CAMRA and Historic England

I'll start making the wiki changes in the next day or so if there are no 
objections.

Tony


On 28/07/2021 13:55, SK53 wrote:
> Late to this as ever. I think Robert summarised all the important 
> things I wanted to say, so just a few additions:
>
> * Use cases: I imagine the primary use cases will be related to 
> individual lists, so ensuring that they are readily discoverable at 
> the list level helps.
> * Using an Operator tag as effectively part of the primary key has 
> problems in that it's easy to make typos or to forget what the 
> canonical form of the operator name is in osm (check out 
> Weatherspoons, for instance).
> * Other heritage lists. There are a considerable number of perfectly 
> valuable non-statutory heritage lists. Off the top of my head those of 
> Camra (Heritage Pubs), 20th Century Society (active in achieving the 
> recent listing of Dunelm House), local civic societies, railway 
> heritage groups <http://www.rhrp.org.uk/surveystatus.htm>, and local 
> authorities (which may retain lists which will be considered for 
> planning purposes).
> * List ownership changes, as mentioned. The earliest mention of UK 
> listed status I'm familiar with is in volumes of the Pevsner series 
> abbreviated as MHLG, and even in the history of OSM we've seen English 
> Heritage transform to Heritage England, and similar changes in many 
> natural heritage bodies.
>
> I think including a country code in the key is probably useful to 
> provide context & avoid potential collisions in use of initials.
>
> Jerry
>
> On Sat, 24 Jul 2021 at 12:08, Mark Goodge <mark at good-stuff.co.uk 
> <mailto:mark at good-stuff.co.uk>> wrote:
>
>
>
>     On 24/07/2021 00:15, Robert Whittaker (OSM lists) wrote:
>     >
>     > There's also the potential for more than one organisation to
>     assign a
>     > heritage reference number to the same object. In addition to a
>     > national body, there may be local or international bodies that
>     > catalogue heritage assets. It's also possible that some assets that
>     > lie near or across national boundaries will be catalogued by
>     more than
>     > one national body.
>
>     There certainly are cross-border structures that are listed by
>     more than
>     one heritage authority. Chirk aqueduct and Chirk viaduct, for
>     example,
>     are both listed by both Historic England and Cadw.
>
>     https://britishlistedbuildings.co.uk/listed-buildings-map?loc=18,52.9280178,-3.0621707
>     <https://britishlistedbuildings.co.uk/listed-buildings-map?loc=18,52.9280178,-3.0621707>
>
>     Mark
>
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