[Talk-GB] Post Box Last Collection Times

[Peter Neale]

I note, in this thread, the proposal that Post Boxes that show a "D" after the ID should have that letter included in the ID tagging in OSM.
This idea seems to be accepted without challenge (so far), but I would contend that the "D" is not part of the ID at all, as it does not distinguish between boxes with the same ID, one with "D" and another with "X" (or any other letter).  So, the "D" is not required to identify the box.  Rather, it reflects a property of the collection time ("this collection time is set artificially early, because collection is done by the delivery person, so might actually be quite a bit later, but it will not be any earlier than this")
A.  Do we really need to record the presence of this "D", if we have already recorded the "Last Collection Time"?
B.  <if A=yes>  Should we record it as part of the ID (even though it is not reallly a part of the ID - see above), or should it go in another field connected to the collection time? C.  <if recorded as part of the ID> should it be preceeeded by a space?
Regards,Peter(aka PeterPan99)
    On Sunday, 5 December 2021, 00:14:16 GMT, Philip Barnes <phil at trigpoint.me.uk> wrote:  
 
 Certainly around here most postboxes around the town  have a collection time of 9:00. The main box by the post office is 17:30.

Maybe a distance from a post office/sorting/delivery office can be used to add a note/needs survey tag to the likely 09:00 not already tagged with a D suffix.

Phil (trigpoint) 

On Saturday, 4 December 2021, Timothy Baker wrote:
> Thanks for all the information.
> 
> Could a fixme tag be added to postboxes without the D suffix to indicate 
> they need to be re-surveyed?
> 
> Or is that ignored by most survey tools anyway?
> 
> 
> On 04/12/2021 21:47, Andrew Hain wrote:
> > StreetComplete asks to check existing collection times but never 
> > existing box numbers.
> >
> > --
> > Andrew
> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > *From:* Jass Kurn <jasskurn at gmail.com>
> > *Sent:* 04 December 2021 15:52
> > *To:* OSM GB mailing list <talk-gb at openstreetmap.org>
> > *Subject:* Re: [Talk-GB] Post Box Last Collection Times
> > As SK53 has pointed out, it's been going on for years and is marked on 
> > the post box by the letter D after the reference number. I only 
> > realised this recently when wondering why the letter D now followed 
> > the reference number on several post boxes.
> >
> > Here's a link to the explanation of this new delivery practice from 
> > Royal Mail
> > https://personal.help.royalmail.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/135/kw/post%20box/related/1
> >
> > Regarding OSM,  the collection times are present and should be still 
> > mapped, but I think it's now important to make sure the letter D is 
> > included as part of the reference number. I omitted the letter from 
> > the several I recently surveyed, and this is a reminder for me to go 
> > back and add a D.
> >
> > Jass Kurn
> >
> > On Sat, 4 Dec 2021 at 14:24, Timothy Baker <osm at exaggerated.org> wrote:
> >
> >    Hi Everyone,
> >
> >    It has come to my attention that Royal Mail have changed the "Last
> >    Collection Time" on most mailboxes in the UK. The boxes are being
> >    emptied by postmen/women on their usual rounds, rather than by the
> >    Man
> >    in a Van old method.
> >
> >    In my area most postboxes have changed to 9am MF, 7am Sat. I think
> >    this
> >    is just them covering themselves because the postman never comes that
> >    early around here, it's more like Noon. So they are just saying
> >    "we'll
> >    empty it when we feel like it, sometime after 9am".
> >
> >    It seems to be recent in my area, The IOW was done in March 2020
> >    (https://www.countypress.co.uk/news/18279532.postal-deadline-now-9am-isle-wight-letters-reveals-royal-mail/)
> >
> >    What are people's opinions regarding a mass change of data?
> >
> >    Should existing collection times be removed so they can be added
> >    again
> >    by people doing surveys with apps?
> >
> >    Sorry if this has been covered before, I'm new to this mailing
> >    list and
> >    couldn't find anything in the archive.
> >
> >    Thanks, Tim
> >
> >
> >
> >
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