[Talk-GB] Hanway Street - London - highway=residential or highway=service

[Edward Catmur]

They're all over the south east; I think they were popular during the
suburban boom of the 1930s. Typically (at least in south London) they're
rather less well manicured than your example (which has an engineered
surface, a defined verge, and even street lighting). An example that I
would definitely describe as an alley (and has been tagged highway=service
service=alley) is  https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/61299961 (visual:
https://www.bing.com/maps?cp=51.37357~-0.243965&lvl=17&dir=358.246&style=x&v=2&sV=1)
- just wide enough for 1 car, with a solid but unsealed surface, giving
access to back gardens. In some other parts of London they've been mapped
as highway=track e.g.  https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/525334642 which I
don't feel is quite correct.


On Fri, Feb 12, 2021 at 9:18 AM Nick Whitelegg via Talk-GB <
talk-gb at openstreetmap.org> wrote:

>
> Indeed - 'Alley' I think is one of those words with different UK and US
> usage.
>
> In the UK I take it to mean a narrow concrete path between buildings.
>
> In the US I take it to mean what is under discussion here: a service road
> that cuts through a block, with houses backing onto it from both sides, and
> running parallel to streets either side. There are actually a few examples
> of these in the UK, this springs to mind (between Ludlow Road and Manor
> Road North), I would use highway=service for this:
>
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=19/50.90403/-1.36846
>
> Nick
>
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* Stephen Colebourne <scolebourne at joda.org>
> *Sent:* 12 February 2021 08:17
> *To:* Talk Gb <talk-gb at openstreetmap.org>
> *Subject:* Re: [Talk-GB] Hanway Street - London - highway=residential or
> highway=service
>
> None of those four examples look like alleys to me. But this may be a
> cultural issue - when I've visited the US I've seen streets called
> alleys that are not dissimilar:
>
> https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@42.3498528,-71.0882683,3a,75y,60.23h,70.78t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sGvRaWcdOwGdQ02UHEt0Yug!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo0.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3DGvRaWcdOwGdQ02UHEt0Yug%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D256.35754%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i13312!8i6656
>
> Stephen
>
>
> On Fri, 12 Feb 2021 at 06:14, Mateusz Konieczny via Talk-GB
> <talk-gb at openstreetmap.org> wrote:
> >
> > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Tag:service%3Dalley has
> ongoing topic of what
> > qualifies as highway=residential and what qualifies as highway=service
> service=alley
> >
> > Hanway Street was given as highway=service example, then removed as an
> example
> > - with following photo
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/File:Hanway_Street_-_London.JPG
> >
> > To me it looks like a narrow highway=residential but right now it is
> mapped as
> > highway=service, see https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/233334347
> > (and was mapped as such for basically all its existence).
> >
> > Photo looks like something that I would definitely consider as narrow
> highway=residential,
> > and has tagged such roads in my city as highway=residential + lanes=1
> >
> > What is your opinion? Is it highway=service service=alley or narrow
> highway=residential?
> > Should it be changed in OSM?
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