[Talk-GB] Hanway Street - London - highway=residential or highway=service

[Chris Hodges]

I've had one of those in Bristol, behind 30s terraces. They joined up between a few streets except where overgrown of otherwise blocked. Wide enough to drive down, maybe to drive past a parked car, access to garages. Certainly called an alley locally. "Track" would describe the surface quite well, if not the use or layout. 

But "alley" can also refer to something too narrow to drive down - a.k.a. "ginnel" up north

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On 12 Feb 2021, 10:05, at 10:05, Edward Catmur via Talk-GB <talk-gb at openstreetmap.org> wrote:
>They're all over the south east; I think they were popular during the
>suburban boom of the 1930s. Typically (at least in south London)
>they're
>rather less well manicured than your example (which has an engineered
>surface, a defined verge, and even street lighting). An example that I
>would definitely describe as an alley (and has been tagged
>highway=service
>service=alley) is  https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/61299961 (visual:
>https://www.bing.com/maps?cp=51.37357~-0.243965&lvl=17&dir=358.246&style=x&v=2&sV=1)
>- just wide enough for 1 car, with a solid but unsealed surface, giving
>access to back gardens. In some other parts of London they've been
>mapped
>as highway=track e.g.  https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/525334642
>which I
>don't feel is quite correct.
>
>
>On Fri, Feb 12, 2021 at 9:18 AM Nick Whitelegg via Talk-GB <
>talk-gb at openstreetmap.org> wrote:
>
>>
>> Indeed - 'Alley' I think is one of those words with different UK and
>US
>> usage.
>>
>> In the UK I take it to mean a narrow concrete path between buildings.
>>
>> In the US I take it to mean what is under discussion here: a service
>road
>> that cuts through a block, with houses backing onto it from both
>sides, and
>> running parallel to streets either side. There are actually a few
>examples
>> of these in the UK, this springs to mind (between Ludlow Road and
>Manor
>> Road North), I would use highway=service for this:
>>
>> https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=19/50.90403/-1.36846
>>
>> Nick
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>> *From:* Stephen Colebourne <scolebourne at joda.org>
>> *Sent:* 12 February 2021 08:17
>> *To:* Talk Gb <talk-gb at openstreetmap.org>
>> *Subject:* Re: [Talk-GB] Hanway Street - London - highway=residential
>or
>> highway=service
>>
>> None of those four examples look like alleys to me. But this may be a
>> cultural issue - when I've visited the US I've seen streets called
>> alleys that are not dissimilar:
>>
>>
>https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@42.3498528,-71.0882683,3a,75y,60.23h,70.78t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sGvRaWcdOwGdQ02UHEt0Yug!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo0.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3DGvRaWcdOwGdQ02UHEt0Yug%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D256.35754%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i13312!8i6656
>>
>> Stephen
>>
>>
>> On Fri, 12 Feb 2021 at 06:14, Mateusz Konieczny via Talk-GB
>> <talk-gb at openstreetmap.org> wrote:
>> >
>> > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Tag:service%3Dalley has
>> ongoing topic of what
>> > qualifies as highway=residential and what qualifies as
>highway=service
>> service=alley
>> >
>> > Hanway Street was given as highway=service example, then removed as
>an
>> example
>> > - with following photo
>> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/File:Hanway_Street_-_London.JPG
>> >
>> > To me it looks like a narrow highway=residential but right now it
>is
>> mapped as
>> > highway=service, see https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/233334347
>> > (and was mapped as such for basically all its existence).
>> >
>> > Photo looks like something that I would definitely consider as
>narrow
>> highway=residential,
>> > and has tagged such roads in my city as highway=residential +
>lanes=1
>> >
>> > What is your opinion? Is it highway=service service=alley or narrow
>> highway=residential?
>> > Should it be changed in OSM?
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