[Talk-GB] Cycling in Parks

[Steven Hirschorn]

Thanks - here's an example of the longstanding highway=footway,
bicycle=yes: https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/24805324

And here's the cycleway that I changed to a footway (before thinking
to check here). It was highway=cycleway until yesterday, now
highway=footway, bicycle=permissive.
https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/23135636

All the other tags on each of the ways look good to me.

On Wed, 13 Jan 2021 at 14:09, Chris Hodges <chris at c-hodges.co.uk> wrote:
>
> I can always check stuff on Komoot too.  That's OSM data and passes more
> underlying info on to the user than others I've used
>
> On 13/01/2021 13:51, Andy Townsend wrote:
> > On 13/01/2021 13:33, Steven Hirschorn wrote:
> >> I have two parks near me that are almost adjoining. I believe they
> >> apply the same bylaws, which prohibit cycling. However, I've not heard
> >> of the bylaw being enforced and the local council are trying to
> >> encourage cycling so I believe it wouldn't be enforced unless combined
> >> with anti social behaviour (and I've heard similar from someone who
> >> would know).
> >>
> >> One park previously had all its paths marked as highway=cycleway and
> >> the other as highway=footway, bicycle=yes.
> >
> > "=yes" would imply a legal right of access, which doesn't sound
> > correct here.
> >
> >
> >> highway=cycleway seems to
> >> be too strong as they are not designated cycle paths. highway=footway
> >> would not permit bikes at all. Combining a footway with bicycle=yes or
> >> bicycle=permissive seems the right balance to me of de jure and de
> >> facto rules,
> > ... and to me, perhaps with a note saying that while cycling is de
> > jure prohibited it is actually de facto permitted (or even encouraged)
> >> but I'm not sure of the impact on rendering (I know not
> >> to tag for the renderer)
> >
> > Different renderers will I'm sure do different things.  There are a
> > number of cycle maps around, and I'd hope they'd all show
> > "bicycle=permissive" as "somewhere that you can cycle", but I've never
> > seen a good summary of exactly what will appear as what comparing
> > various cycle maps (though some will have legends of course).
> >
> >
> >> or on a cycle routing engine.
> >
> > again, depends on the router - in a perfect world I'd expect it to be
> > routable but with a penalty compared to a "real" cycleway. You can
> > test this yourself at osm.org - using taginfo and overpass, find a
> > "highway=footway; bicycle=permissive" that has been that way for a
> > while and see if either of the two bicycle routers available from
> > osm.org route over it,
> >
> > Best Regards,
> >
> > Andy
> >
> >
> >
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