[Talk-GB] Correcting an unsafe cycle route onto Homerton High St

[Simon Still]

It’s a very odd bit of shared use paving under the building at the end of Hometon Street since it doesn’t link to a dropped kerb, nor formally continue to the zebra (though street view shows someone riding towards it on the pavement) 

Quietway 2 runs north-south on the path alongside the churchyard, there is a wide exit onto Mehetabal Road-Isabella Road- Homerton Row is a useful quiet route for a cyclist to take to turn east at this point. 

My assumption would be that the council transport planners recognised this (hence the shared used path between Homerton Row and Isabella Rd. ) but hadn’t worked out or implemented (yet) a crossing point here. 

The stub way has been put in to enable routing - otherwise a routing app could not connect to Homerton.   It’s not strictly shared use so bicycle=dismount has been added, again to enable the Cyclestreets algorithm to pick it up (my understanding is it will put short sections of bicycle dismount within a route)

Barrier=Kerb positioned on the way would correctly add a small delay to the routing algorithm (again correct) but the way should remain in place with the tags it has . 

I’ll bump this to Hackney Cyclists as well to find out why theres no dropped kerb!




> On 15 Jan 2021, at 18:29, Jon Pennycook <jon.pennycook at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I'm going to change my mind about deleting the footway based on the email below, but I think adding barrier=kerb is definitely still a good idea.
> 
> Jon
> 
> On Fri, 15 Jan 2021 at 17:57, Mark Goodge <mark at good-stuff.co.uk <mailto:mark at good-stuff.co.uk>> wrote:
> 
> 
> On 15/01/2021 17:35, Mat Attlee wrote:
> > I've noticed that CycleStreets often suggests cycling onto and across 
> > Homerton High St, which is a quite busy road. For example 
> > https://www.cyclestreets.net/journey/72667503/ <https://www.cyclestreets.net/journey/72667503/> 
> > <https://www.cyclestreets.net/journey/72667503/ <https://www.cyclestreets.net/journey/72667503/>>
> > 
> > I found the culprit which is this way 
> > https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/38083628 <https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/38083628> 
> > <https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/38083628 <https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/38083628>> however having surveyed 
> > this area countless times, I feel that this way is neither correct or 
> > safe as pedestrians or cyclists should not enter or cross the road here 
> > as there are no signs indicating it is allowed and therwaye is a pedestrian 
> > crossing just nearby.
> > 
> > Should I delete this way or is there a reason for its existence?
> 
> Looking at it on Google Streetview, the design of the cycleway surface 
> implies that it terminates at the intersection with the A102 (Homerton 
> High Street) directly opposite Isabella Road, as linked by that way. And 
> there are no "shared use" signs visible on the pavements to the north of 
> that junction on either side of the A102, implying that cyclists may not 
> legally ride there anyway.
> 
> So I think that way reflects the correct legal position: the shared use 
> path that runs from the stub of Homerton Row follows the original route 
> of Homerton Row all the way to Homerton High Street, where cyclists are 
> expected to rejoin the carriageway. Bearing in mind that this was, once, 
> a crossroads with Homerton Row and Isabella Road on opposite sides of 
> Homerton High Street (c/f NLS maps). The western end of Homerton Row has 
> been part-pedestrianised, but the legal route remains the same as it was 
> before, and the highway of Homerton Row ends at Homerton High Street.
> 
> Which is a long-winded way of saying, leave the way where it is, it 
> looks correct to me.
> 
> Mark
> 
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