[Talk-GB] "designated" and "permissive" confuse new people

[Jon Pennycook]

Hello David.

Of the people I've noticed, they're probably iD users, and almost always
local people doing useful stuff - mapping their local area.

Your point about access=destination was exactly the point I was making - on
an ordinary urban footway that isn't a right of way, unless there are
explicit signs forbidding cycling, I would have thought no particular
access tags were needed (so nothing for motor_vehicle, foot, horse,
bicycle, access, etc.).  I think people are assuming they need to fill in
all the access boxes on a highway.  I think just not showing the access
boxes unless someone ticks a box to say they want to override the defaults
would probably be best.

Jon

On Sat, 2 Oct 2021 at 18:55, David Woolley <forums at david-woolley.me.uk>
wrote:

> On 02/10/2021 18:10, Jon Pennycook wrote:
> > On a related note, I wonder how we can persuade new people not to
> > explicitly list all the things that might possibly be forbidden on a
> > path/footway - access=destination/ foot=yes/ motor_vehicle=no/ horse=no
> > on an ordinary urban footway seems over the top (as well as confusing).
> >
>
> Have you analysed these for:
>
> 1) the use of dumbed down mapping tools;
>
> 2) more generally the editor used;
>
> 3) indications of out of country armchair mapping.
>
> It's my impression that (1) and (3) have been causes of poor quality
> mapping, at least in the past.
>
> I guess tools could indicate country specific assumptions, when
> providing arrays of check boxes, and give detailed explanations
> (although simply greying out is probably wrong, as there may be cases to
> override assumptions - maybe greyed with and without a check mark?), and
> request confirmation for commonly misunderstood options, but I suspect
> the tools are largely table driven and their table interpreters may not
> be flexible enough to do this.
>
> Incidentally, access=destination should be treated as exceptional for
> foot paths and "footways"; it is not a redundant statement of of a
> country default.
>
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