[Talk-GB] Mapbox' mapping activity

[Andy Townsend]

Hello Sonya,

 >  In restrictions sometimes there can be missing roles, and we delete 
it, because it's broken

No, as has already been said over at 
https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-it/2021-September/072960.html 
that is not the correct approach.

You have been given lots of advice on mailing lists and Github issues, 
which you seem to have mostly ignored.  Your mappers also seem to be 
ignoring OpenStreetMap changeset discussions (to take just one example - 
https://resultmaps.neis-one.org/osm-discussion-comments?uid=10398649 has 
no replies to the 8 questions asked in the last fortnight).

This behaviour is not OK.  Please ensure that all your employees 
immediately reply to the questions that other mappers have asked them, 
and that you follow all the advice that you have been given.  Please 
also ensure that your mappers review all their previous changes made in 
this series of organised edits and ensure that they repair any damage 
that they have caused (some, like 
https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/111251617 have already been 
repaired by local mappers).

Failing to do this would mean that we (the DWG) will be forced to 
prevent further edits by those editors damaging the database in this way 
until they have been suitably trained.  We may also need to revert some 
of your teams' recent edits.  In the meantime we will alert those 
mappers we can identify how have not replied to comments asking that 
they do so.

Please also ensure that your replies to list posts go to the list, not 
to the individual who sent the message to the list.

Best Regards,

Andy (local GB mapper, and also a member of OSM's Data Working Group)


On 16/09/2021 12:55, Sonya Khilchyk wrote:
> Hi! Thanks for your comment.
> We're not local in these countries and ground truth sources that we 
> used are from osm. It can be bing, maxar, etc and of course street 
> level pictures: mapillary, openstreetcam, etc.
> We did changes only if we saw it in osm sources. In restrictions 
> sometimes there can be missing roles, and we delete it, because it's 
> broken. If we have a source for mapping - we will do it. If you have 
> data where there are some restrictions on the road - map it or share 
> open sources with us please.
>
> Best regards, Sonya
>
> On Thu, Sep 16, 2021 at 11:30 AM Andy Townsend <ajt1047 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>     Thanks (the way ID is actually
>     https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/151523839 for anyone interested).
>
>     Incidentally, there has recently been a report (in Italy) of
>     "Mapbox mappers just deleting relations that they don't
>     understand"
>     https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-it/2021-September/072960.html
>     and I've just seen edits with poor descriptions in France that may
>     be similar - https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/111276977 .
>
>     Do some of your mappers perhaps need more help dealing with some
>     of these issues?
>
>     Best Regards,
>
>     Andy
>
>     On 13/09/2021 10:59, Sonya Khilchyk wrote:
>>     Hi! Sure, here it is
>>     <https://www.openstreetmap.org/edit?changeset=110460358#map=19/51.75967/8.07341>.
>>
>>     Best regards, Sonya
>>
>>
>>     On Sun, Sep 12, 2021 at 3:07 PM Andy Townsend <ajt1047 at gmail.com>
>>     wrote:
>>
>>         (resending, as my reply 5 days ago didn't make it to the list
>>         for some reason)
>>
>>         On 07/09/2021 15:18, Andy Townsend wrote:
>>>         On 30/08/2021 13:03, Sonya Khilchyk via Talk-GB wrote:
>>>>         Hi! We had a question "can you explain (on talk-gb please)
>>>>         how your software will detect something that is
>>>>         "mixedlayer" and why it is a problem?" in our ticket on
>>>>         github.
>>>>         So, there's an answer:
>>>>         It is detected by different conditions which describe
>>>>         logical mistakes in mapping.
>>>>         Example: mixed layer category.
>>>>         It describes features where a highway crosses another
>>>>         highway with a different layer tag.
>>>>         There're roads with different layer values. It's obvious
>>>>         there that these roads are on the same layer (=0) and we
>>>>         need to fix it.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>         Thanks.  Can you actually link to the way IDs involved so
>>>         that we can see the before and after values, and whether
>>>         they actually join or not?
>>>
>>>         Best Regards,
>>>
>>>         Andy
>>>
>>>
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