[Talk-GB] Non-intuitive addresses

[Paul Berry]

Hi Mark,

I'd map that as:

addr:street=Abbots Walk
addr:parentstreet=Boat Lane

I'm not hung up on Abbots Walk being a building rather than a street. We're
fitting addressing to the best available tags, not the other way around.

Regards,
*Paul*

On Sat, 12 Feb 2022 at 11:35, Mark Goodge <mark at good-stuff.co.uk> wrote:

> With all the discussion of addresses that's going on at the moment, I
> thought I'd take a look at some near me. And, in the process, found a
> whole set of oddities that are currently mapped incorrectly, but where
> there's no obvious way to get the right data other than the fact that I
> just happen to know. So, before I go making wholesale changes, I thought
> I'd throw it out here for discussion.
>
> Firstly, this way:
>
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/28456255
>
> This is currently tagged as name=Abbots Walk. That's objectively wrong,
> and can be shown to be wrong from open sources (eg, OS OpenNames and OS
> OpenRoads). The reality is that Boat Lane (way 307184331) extends all
> the way to the junction with Merstow Green (way 23642664). There is no
> street in Evesham named Abbots Walk.
>
> But... the four residential units on that part of Boat Lane have an
> address in the form of [1-4] Abbots Walk, not Boat Lane. That's because
> [1-4] Boat Lane already existed when that block was constructed, so, to
> avoid confusion, the block itself was given the name Abbots Walk and the
> units in it numbered accordingly. This is obviously why someone has, in
> the past, given the way the wrong name, because they've assumed that the
> postal address of the houses reflects the name of the street.
>
> So the first question here is how do we map this? Obviously the way can,
> and should, be renamed to Boat Lane. But then, and without tagging for
> the render, what's the best way to apply the name "Abbots Walk" to the
> block itself?
>
> Also, once the way is renamed, what's the best way to ensure that the
> addr:street tags of the individual houses stay as Abbots Walk, and don't
> get changed to Boat Lane by some enthusiastic armchair mapper trying to
> clean up what he or she perceives to be an error? Would it, maybe, be
> better to convert them all to addr:terrace and leave addr:street blank?
> Or is this going to create a whole new set of problems?
>
> This is particularly problematic given that I can't point to any open
> data source for the actual address. There is a nameplate on the block,
> which may help in this respect, but then, how do we prevent people
> mistaking this for a street name sign and changing the name of that part
> of Boat Lane back to Abbots Walk?
>
> Moving a bit further down Boat Lane, there's a set of houses numbered
> from 20 to 32:
>
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/306397310
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/306397332
>
> All of these have an addr:street tag of Boat Lane. But, in this case,
> that's wrong. The street is, indeed, Boat Lane, but these houses are
> part of the Huxleys Way development and have a postal address of Huxleys
> Way. So the addr:street value should be Huxleys Way. The addr:postcode
> of these houses is also wrong - they've been mapped as WR11 4BP, which
> is Boat Lane, whereas the correct postcode is WR11 4BU, Huxleys Way.
>
> Fixing this is going to be even harder than Abbots Walk, though, because
> not only is there no open data source of the address details but in this
> case there's no indication on the ground either that these houses are
> Huxleys Way rather than Boat Lane. And it doesn't help that the highest
> numbered house that really is in Boat Lane is, entirely coincidentally,
> number 19. So a lot of people would assume that number 20 is simply the
> next house in the Boat Lane sequence, rather than following on from 19
> Huxleys Way. I can, of course, put local knowledge as my source in the
> changeset, but that's a little vague - I'd rather have something a bit
> more authoritative.
>
> Any suggestions on these? What have people done in other situations
> where they've had to map non-intuitive addresses?
>
> Mark
>
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