[Talk-GB] Changing "stub" cycleways to pavements

[Sam Heppenstall]

Hi,

I've never posted to a mailing list before but I've been advised by people on the OSM Discord to take this issue here. Apologies if I'm missing any etiquette or procedure sending this.

For context I've been having what I guess would be considered 'edit wars' with a mapper called Pete Owens, particularly over mapping bicycle infrastructure, with issues such as separate highway=cycleway vs on-road cycleway=track. This has been going on for a number of months, and I've only been using OSM since May 2021. Naturally since he's been using it since 2009, he looks like the more senior and experienced mapper, but hear me out.

The issue in question is of him deleting "stubs" - bits of cycleway that lead to nowhere or turn into regular pavement. I'm of the mind that you should draw the cycleway up to the legal boundary of where you can ride, where is a painted symbol or cycleway sign (verifiable on the ground). He thinks this is "silly" and continues to change such segments to pavements, with bicycle=no tagged (as he has added to almost every pavement I have mapped in general - I'm aware pavement mapping can be controversial). I'm not sure if he's justifying this based on routability or aesthetics or 'simplifying' a la TomJeffs.

An obvious example of such a changeset (and what tipped me towards sending this) is https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/117413424, superseding https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/117374335 where he word-vomits on my changeset.

Obviously you're hearing this from me and as someone directly involved, I am biased. Apparently the mailing list is the place to go to obtain consensus on such issues. If there's no point having these 'stubs' and I'm just being 'silly', better that than continue another thread of this mad, headache duopoly of cycleway mapping in Warrington.

At the end of the day, I'm looking for a clear outcome as to who is in the wrong and how to proceed mapping cycleways. Whether to draw them up to legal boundaries - or whether to draw the more simplistic, intended route you'd practically cycle (assuming you're following the law on pavement cycling, which isn't necessarily a given). Any and all input is appreciated.

Cheers,
Falsernet
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