[Talk-GB] Changing "stub" cycleways to pavements

[Andy Townsend]

On 15/02/2022 00:59, Sam Heppenstall via Talk-GB wrote:
> ...
> An obvious example of such a changeset (and what tipped me towards 
> sending this) is https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/117413424, 
> superseding https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/117374335 where he 
> word-vomits on my changeset.

https://overpass-api.de/achavi/?changeset=117413424 shows the change here.

The $64,000 question is - where are the signs?  Is there anything that 
suggests that it is legal to cycle along 
https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/1011886862 from the Sankey Valley 
Greenway to the edge of the canal, but no further?  The aerial imagery 
doesn't suggest any obvious route for bicycles along this bit of 
pavement, but none of the imagery sources look great.

This is a similar discussion to the one on 
https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/116891119 where both the 
protagonists where asked for evidence to back up their side of the story 
at a different junction.

The full story of the discussions at 
https://resultmaps.neis-one.org/osm-discussion-comments?uid=111135 and 
https://resultmaps.neis-one.org/osm-discussion-comments?uid=13341565 
suggests you are both some way from a meeting of minds...

>
> Obviously you're hearing this from me and as someone directly 
> involved, I am biased. Apparently the mailing list is the place to go 
> to obtain consensus on such issues. If there's no point having these 
> 'stubs' and I'm just being 'silly', better that than continue another 
> thread of this mad, headache duopoly of cycleway mapping in Warrington.
>
> At the end of the day, I'm looking for a clear outcome as to who is in 
> the wrong and how to proceed mapping cycleways. Whether to draw them 
> up to legal boundaries - or whether to draw the more simplistic, 
> intended route you'd practically cycle (assuming you're following the 
> law on pavement cycling, which isn't necessarily a given). Any and all 
> input is appreciated.

To be clear - _legal_ is what matters. You, or a less law-abiding 
cyclist than you, might "practically cycle" in places where it isn't 
legal, but that doesn't make those places cycleways.  That's why knowing 
what the signage actually is is important.

Best Regards,

Andy (also dealing with this dispute with a Data Working Group hat on)

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