[Talk-GB] English Vineyards

Thu Feb 17 21:47:24 UTC 2022

In South-east England they are becoming pretty common, and are often
located on prominent S-facing slopes on chalk or greensand ridges, such as
Denbies <https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=16/51.2443/-0.3386> near
Dorking (largest in England IIRC) or the ones near Tillington
<https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=15/50.9915/-0.6546> (my picture
<https://www.flickr.com/photos/sk53_osm/13826262325> from a mapping outing
with Nick Whitlegg 8 years ago, where the names are based on ground
survey). Wine is a much higher value product than the meat which would have
been produced by grazing sheep or cattle on the land, plus it supports much
more agritourism.

I can only recall one Washington State winery off the top of my head,
Columbia Crest which was a popular choice on a ski holiday in Colorado some
20 years back. I've certainly tried a few others as well as 3-4 reds from
BC. I've taken the opportunity to add
<https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/1032713233#map=16/45.9558/-119.6100> a
bit of detail for the former, although the plain craft=winery tag doesn't
seem to render.

Jerry

On Thu, 17 Feb 2022 at 20:32, Clifford Snow <clifford at snowandsnow.us> wrote:

> I was amazed at how much was already mapped. My faulty assumption was
> there weren't any real vineyards but that just shows how little I know!
>
> We have a number of vineyards in my state. We basically have two climates
> here - the west side of the Cascade Mountain Rain which is wet and cool and
> the east side which is dry and hot. Most of the vineyards are on the east
> side. I just booked a night in Prosser, WA to investigate some of the
> better vineyards in the state.
>
> Clifford
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 17, 2022 at 12:11 PM SK53 <sk53.osm at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I thought I'd see if using a clustering approach might give a better
>> handle on how many we have mapped in reality. I clustered centroids using
>> DBscan clustering with a distance of 1km (some parcels are quite big) and
>> keeping isolated parcels as a cluster. I then split any clusters by name
>> and/or operator. This yields about 350 distinct entities, but many parcels
>> have no name & these are assigned separately, so this is still an
>> overestimate. The basic conclusion is that a name or operator tag on each
>> vineyard area would be useful, but it also means there are plenty more to
>> find.
>>
>> Jerry
>>
>> PS. centroid data converted to OSGB; ST_ClusterDBScan(geom, 1000,1) and
>> then a standard GROUP BY on name and cluster id/
>>
>> On Wed, 16 Feb 2022 at 22:18, Chris Hodges <chris at c-hodges.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>> As I passed Sugarloaf vineyard near Abergavenny on Sunday, I had a
>>> look.  That's 5 shapes for one business (here's one:
>>> https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/487791436 ) which is probably a
>>> reasonable picture of the layout.
>>>
>>> Chris
>>>
>>> On 16/02/2022 20:49, SK53 wrote:
>>>
>>> The website <https://www.winegb.co.uk/vineyards/> of the winegrowers
>>> association reckons there are about 800. I think we have around 600
>>> polygons mapped which will be rather more than the number of vineyards
>>> (e.g., round Tillington
>>> <https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=15/50.9915/-0.6390> there are two
>>> vineyards each with several distinct parcels of land, one of them Nyetimber
>>> has vineyards elsewhere too). When I last looked, about 4 years ago, I
>>> think there were 600 vineyards so many will be very new, small & hard to
>>> spot on aerial imagery.
>>>
>>> I noticed one near Whitland earlier in the week & in searching for it's
>>> name have found 2 more to add in the same area (Hebron & Jabajak), so we
>>> now have around 20 mapped in Wales. All three seem to be producing
>>> sparkling wine.
>>>
>>> Jerry
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, 16 Feb 2022 at 20:04, Ian Caldwell via Talk-GB <
>>> talk-gb at openstreetmap.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> overpass turbo (http://overpass-turbo.eu/)  with landuse=vinyard finds
>>>> quite a lot.
>>>>
>>>> Ian
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, 16 Feb 2022 at 19:32, Paul Berry <pmberry2007 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi Clifford,
>>>>>
>>>>> Interesting. There's at least two I know of in Yorkshire: one already
>>>>> mapped in Holmfirth (adding an extra dimension to "Last of the Summer Wine
>>>>> Country") and another in Westow, which I've only just added. The latter is
>>>>> apparently the most northerly vineyard in the UK, though there are some
>>>>> even further north in Europe.
>>>>>
>>>>> http://osm.org/way/232552850
>>>>> http://osm.org/relation/13811337
>>>>>
>>>>> Happy mapping.
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>> *Paul*
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, 16 Feb 2022 at 18:29, Clifford Snow <clifford at snowandsnow.us>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I just watched a CBS 60 Minutes show on the impacts of Climate Change
>>>>>> on wine growing. It's killing parts of France but opening areas in England
>>>>>> to produce some of top rated sparkling wines. Check out
>>>>>> https://www.cbsnews.com/60-minutes/ - then when you're done - go out
>>>>>> and map some vineyards :-) They mentioned Kent and one other location which
>>>>>> I didn't pickup on.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Clifford
>>>>>>
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