[Talk-GB] Static caravan or chalet? Possible language issue?

[Philip Barnes]

On Thu, 2024-02-22 at 16:12 +0000, James Derrick wrote:
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> On 22/02/2024 15:19, Jass Kurn wrote:
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> > Onto the Haven "Holiday Park" sites.  
> > That being large fenced sites where you stay in an effectively
> > permanent building and with most needs (entertainment, bars, food,
> > shopping) available on site. 
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> > I believe a suitable tag is tourism=holiday_park , but that is not
> > documented.
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> I've just been checking the Haven website for services at Haggerston
> Castle and (literally just) found:
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> https://www.haven.com/touring-camping
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> * Motorhome
>  * Tourer
>  * Trailer Tent
>  * (static caravan)
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> So, Haven is also:
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> caravans=yes
>  tents=yes
>  surface=paved (closest I can get to trailer tent)
>  motorhome_stopover=yes
>  static_caravans=yes
>  permanent_camping=yes
>  internet_access=wlan
>  landuse=commercial (belt-and braces)
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> Cross-checking with imagery (around way 905745175), N of the
> Haggerston Castle lake shows touring pitches with concrete pads,
> which might explain the "Trailer Tent" title. 
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> The complexity of such large sites does seem to make tagging with a
> single activity problematic (i.e. tourism=camp_site / caravan_site /
> chalet / camp_pitch).
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> Although not that widely used, tourism=holiday_park has the advantage
> of being more "neutral" and a good match to the idea of a site with
> lots of "attractions" rather than just somewhere to sleep.
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> https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org.uk/tags/tourism=holiday_park
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One of my big bugbears of using OSM data to plan holidays is that a lot
of camp sites are mistagged as caravan sites, which is not helpful to a
camper.

A bit of light relief is my overpass query for finding campsites with a
kilometre of a pub. The really important stuff. 
https://overpass-turbo.eu/s/1HMb

A problem which I think goes back to overuse of aerial imagery, over
survey. Finding tents on aerial imagery, even on campsites I am
familiar with is not easy.

A lot of current imagery is from the lockdown era when camping was
restricted and otherwise is taken on weekdays outside of July and
August.

Holiday park is a interesting tag, we have certainly camped at these
places, having a heated swimming pool is certainly an attraction. If
you are lucky you may even get real ale in the bar.

In my experience most touring sites (GB/France/Spain) accept tents,
caravans and mobile homes. A few are hard standing only.

Generally I feel the right tag for touring is tourism=camp_site.
Caravan site makes sense for static caravans, the term is obvious in
British English, but possibly confusing to non-native speakers.

Somewhere along the way caravan site has been mashed in with RVs
(Americanism is for mobile homes). Not sure why, it doesn't help that
OSMand even shows a mobile home icon for caravan site. in my experience
a site allowing mobile homes and not caravans must be infinitely small.

Some parts of the wiki are a bit strange, for example until I fixed it
the camp site page stated the electric hookups were for caravans. I
have never been refused an electric hookup on a site which had them on
grass pitches.

Phil (trigpoint)