[Talk-ht] Talk-ht Digest, Vol 2, Issue 5

Tue Feb 2 12:34:24 GMT 2010

Commited changes from jgc,
http://github.com/h4ck3rm1k3/OSMHaiti

usage like this :
perl parse.pl HaitiHealthFacilities_Master2.csv >
HaitiHealthFacilities_Master2.osm


On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 12:15 PM,  <talk-ht-request at openstreetmap.org> wrote:
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>   1. Re: [Fwd: Re: [Fwd: [CrisisMappers] Haiti Health  Facilities
>      Master List]] (nicolas chavent)
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> Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2010 12:14:59 +0100
> From: nicolas chavent <nicolas.chavent at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Talk-ht] [Fwd: Re: [Fwd: [CrisisMappers] Haiti Health
>        Facilities Master List]]
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> Hi
>
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Humanitarian_OSM_Tags#Humanitarian_Data_Model_1.6_.28these_will_be_mapped_to_OSM_tagging.29
>
>
> is the more stable
> I'll get it updated with the recent attributes and values from the Shana -
> PAHO release and what I did not finish entering in the wiki yeserday. In
> interactions with WHO experts on how to best reconcile the 2 models
>
> Full agreement with refraining from any bulk upload at this stage and again
> wait on Kate Chapman status while preparing any HFacs elements we can be
> knowledgeable of to be able to move collectively efficienlty
>
> Best
> N
>
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 12:03 PM, Karl Guggisberg
> <karl.guggisberg at guggis.ch>wrote:
>
>>  Hi,
>>
>> here's another OSM file generated from the Health Facilities Master list
>>    http://www.guggis.ch/haiti/HaitiHealthFacilities_Master.osm
>>
>> It includes more attributes than the list posted earlier. **Do not import
>> this file automatically, though**. We should first agree on the set of OSM
>> tags to be used and how the attributes in the master list are mapped onto
>> them.
>>
>> What is the status of
>>
>> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Humanitarian_OSM_Tags#Humanitarian_Data_Model_1.6_.28these_will_be_mapped_to_OSM_tagging.29
>>
>> in particular in comparision with
>>
>> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Humanitarian_OSM_Tags#Draft_Ontology_for_healthcare_facilities
>>
>> Which of the two tagging schemes is more stable?
>>
>> Regards
>> Karl
>>
>>
>> Am 02.02.2010 11:05, schrieb nicolas chavent:
>>
>> Jean Guilhem and all.
>>
>> Just got back on-line: all the people who worked on the Health Facility
>> themes want this thematic layer in osm as compehrensive in the most timely
>> manner both:
>> - (i) in terms of coverage of geo features: this is addressed by the data
>> conflation work Kate Chapman and others including Sahan, US Health Govt, WHO
>> and WHO-PAHO were involved in and which lead to this release by David.
>> Kate was working on a conflation of this superset with OSM and I think we
>> have to wait on her updating us on the status of the work to act
>> collectively in an efficient manner. She'll be up soon (living in US Est
>> Time).
>> - (ii) in terms of semantic interoperability: this is being addressed
>> through the data modeling and coordination work I an running on  this Health
>> object with Kate Chapman, David Smith, Andrew Turner, WHO experts and
>> Emergency coordinators, GIS Coordinators from GIS-NGOs deployed on the
>> ground. I'll be integrating this last set of attributes elements from PAHO
>> to the data model and issue a new version available on the wiki at
>> URL
>>
>> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Humanitarian_OSM_Tags#Humanitarian_Data_Model_1.6_.28these_will_be_mapped_to_OSM_tagging.29
>>
>> This has to be seen as the formulation of field requirements for health
>> facility geodata management in the perspective of OSM being closely tied to
>> this new phase of the humanitarian response with more contents generated and
>> shared from on the ground experts.
>> Sahana through the portal shared by David allows for online data entry by
>> Field Health practitioners.
>> Kate ensured a way to refresh OSM attributes with this field contributed
>> contents.
>> On top of that WHO and PAHO are considering using directly OSM Editors to
>> manage this data and relay on OSM DB for this operation at the condition of
>> relying on interoperable HFacs tags.
>> This is not small stuff and to allow this to happen again shortly, let's
>> wait for Kate to give us a status of her work and once the attributes
>> contents are on the wiki let's look at our tagging for this Health Fac layer
>> which should not be too difficult since the OSM MapFeatures coverage of
>> Health Care-related objects is limited.
>> URL
>> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:amenity%3Dhospital
>>
>> Hope this helps
>> Best
>> N
>>
>> On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 10:02 AM, Jean-Guilhem Cailton <jgc at arkemie.com>wrote:
>>
>>> Nicolas,
>>>
>>> Can't we rely on healthC_ID for later incorporation of other tags (which
>>> are mostly empty for now) ?
>>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Isn't it a kind of emergency in itself to have the points, with precise
>>> location, name, and unambiguous ID in the OSM data base ? For use on the
>>> ground ?
>>>
>>>
>>> "Any groups tracking health facilities should make sure to incorporate
>>> this identifier to enable unambiguous sharing/merging of data between
>>> groups."
>>>
>>>  Regards,
>>>
>>> Jean-Guilhem
>>>
>>> -------- Message original --------  Sujet : Re: [Talk-ht] [Fwd:
>>> [CrisisMappers] Haiti Health Facilities Master List]  Date : Tue, 2 Feb
>>> 2010 09:33:09 +0100  De : nicolas chavent <nicolas.chavent at gmail.com><nicolas.chavent at gmail.com>  Pour :
>>> Talk-ht at openstreetmap.org  Copie ? :
>>>
>>>  Jean-Guilhem Cailton <jgc at arkemie.com> <jgc at arkemie.com>  R?f?rences :
>>> <4B67DF87.1000707 at arkemie.com> <4B67DF87.1000707 at arkemie.com>
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi there
>>>
>>> Thanks Jean Guilhem for forwarding this post on this fundamental asset,
>>> before embarking into any bulk upload and exposing ourselves to double risk
>>> of duplication and data losses , we shall hear back from Kate Chapman who
>>> had been involved in the work of the group making this resource available
>>> and on conflating it with the OSM data base.
>>>
>>> We shall also look at the semantic aspect of this conflation work and make
>>> sure the tags we will be setting for the HFacs description besides the
>>> Unifying Unique ID set by the Minist?re de la Sant? Publique et de la
>>> Population (MSPP) are interoperable with the ones used in the World
>>> Health Organization (Geneva) and PAHO (Pan American World Health
>>> Organization).
>>> Since both organizations are envisaging to use the osm platform to manage
>>> this Health Facility layer at the condition of relying on interoperable
>>> tags.
>>>
>>> I'll be reverting to the group soon with the "final" list of proposed
>>> values, a first unfortunately incomplete set is readable on the HT wiki
>>> URL
>>>
>>> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Humanitarian_OSM_Tags#Humanitarian_Data_Model_1.6_.28these_will_be_mapped_to_OSM_tagging.29
>>>
>>> Later then
>>> Best to all
>>> N.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 9:17 AM, Jean-Guilhem Cailton <jgc at arkemie.com>wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> Could someone help automatically importing this list into OSM ?
>>>> (At least X, Y, name, healthC_ID, for 1267 points)
>>>>
>>>> I could help to do some cleaning up with the points that might already be
>>>> present in OSM.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>>
>>>> Jean-Guilhem
>>>> (knowing JOSM, but no automatic import tool (yet ?))
>>>> (jgc on irc #osm, #flossk)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -------- Message original --------  Sujet : [CrisisMappers] Haiti Health
>>>> Facilities Master List  Date : Mon, 1 Feb 2010 22:02:43 -0600  De : David
>>>> William Bitner <bitner at dbspatial.com> <bitner at dbspatial.com>  R?pondre
>>>> ? : crisismappers at googlegroups.com  Pour :
>>>> crisismappers at googlegroups.com
>>>>
>>>> The Haiti Health Facilities master list has now been made publicly
>>>> available at
>>>> http://sites.google.com/a/netspective.org/haiti-health-facilities/.
>>>>  This represents a combination of many efforts over the past two weeks.
>>>>
>>>>  Of particular note is the unique identifier HealthC_ID which is based
>>>> on the Minist?re de la Sant? Publique et de la Population (MSPP) of
>>>> Haiti identifiers expanded to allow for temporary and transient health
>>>> facilities.  Any groups tracking health facilities should make sure to
>>>> incorporate this identifier to enable unambiguous sharing/merging of data
>>>> between groups. This dataset is owned by the MSPP and is being maintained by
>>>> WHO/PAHO and the website allows for submitting corrections and additions to
>>>> keep the dataset up to date.
>>>>
>>>>  David
>>>> Sahana Software Foundation
>>>>
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>>> Nicolas Chavent
>>> Humanitarian OpenStreetMap Team
>>> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Haiti
>>> Mobile (FRA): +33 6 75 14 29 70
>>> Email: nicolas.chavent at gmail.com
>>> Skype: c_nicolas
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>>>
>>> On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 9:17 AM, Jean-Guilhem Cailton <jgc at arkemie.com>wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> Could someone help automatically importing this list into OSM ?
>>>> (At least X, Y, name, healthC_ID, for 1267 points)
>>>>
>>>> I could help to do some cleaning up with the points that might already be
>>>> present in OSM.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>>
>>>> Jean-Guilhem
>>>> (knowing JOSM, but no automatic import tool (yet ?))
>>>> (jgc on irc #osm, #flossk)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -------- Message original --------  Sujet : [CrisisMappers] Haiti Health
>>>> Facilities Master List  Date : Mon, 1 Feb 2010 22:02:43 -0600  De : David
>>>> William Bitner <bitner at dbspatial.com> <bitner at dbspatial.com>  R?pondre
>>>> ? : crisismappers at googlegroups.com  Pour :
>>>> crisismappers at googlegroups.com
>>>>
>>>> The Haiti Health Facilities master list has now been made publicly
>>>> available at
>>>> http://sites.google.com/a/netspective.org/haiti-health-facilities/.
>>>>  This represents a combination of many efforts over the past two weeks.
>>>>
>>>>  Of particular note is the unique identifier HealthC_ID which is based
>>>> on the Minist?re de la Sant? Publique et de la Population (MSPP) of
>>>> Haiti identifiers expanded to allow for temporary and transient health
>>>> facilities.  Any groups tracking health facilities should make sure to
>>>> incorporate this identifier to enable unambiguous sharing/merging of data
>>>> between groups. This dataset is owned by the MSPP and is being maintained by
>>>> WHO/PAHO and the website allows for submitting corrections and additions to
>>>> keep the dataset up to date.
>>>>
>>>>  David
>>>> Sahana Software Foundation
>>>>
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>>> Email: nicolas.chavent at gmail.com
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>>
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