[Wikitech-l] Where we are now on getting OpenStreetMap into Wikipedia and what we need to do

[tamas gervai]

nem is tudtam, hogy ilyen is van: *science-geography*

On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 5:19 PM, Peter Gervai <grinapo at gmail.com> wrote:

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> Nahát, ezt ma kaptam. Érdekes, jó.
>

Arra gondoltam elsonek, hogy milyen problemakat fog ez felvetni.

Nagyobb hirnev melett megkapja a wikipedia allando problemait:
 - vandalizmus
 - profibb verziokezeles kell
 - profibb felugyelet kell, akar reszenkent (koordinator, admin fele)
 - jogi vonatkozasait sokkal jobban tisztazni kell, illetve a kulso
hivaltozasokat jol lekezelni, hogy ne erhesse tamadas, mikor a figyelem
kozeppontjaba kerul

Abbol a szempontbol jonak tunik a dolog, hogy a wikimedia ad az
eroforrasaibol, tudasabol, ami rafer az OSM-re :)


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> From: Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason <avarab at gmail.com>
> Date: Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 16:28
> Subject: [Wikitech-l] Where we are now on getting OpenStreetMap into
> Wikipedia and what we need to do
> To: Map integration <maps-l at lists.wikimedia.org>, osmdev
> <dev at openstreetmap.org>, openstreetmap <talk at openstreetmap.org>,
> Wikimedia developers <wikitech-l at lists.wikimedia.org>,
> toolserver-l at lists.wikimedia.org, ts-admins at toolserver.org,
> Openstreetmap allgemeines in Deutsch <talk-de at openstreetmap.org>
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> Hello there. This is a quick status update on the project to get
> OpenStreetMap maps into Wikipedia and on the Wikimedia/OpenStreetMap
> toolserver setup. For those that don't know what it's all about we're:
>
>  * Setting up a testing platform (ptolemy & ortelius) to serve OSM
> maps in Wikipedia which can be rolled into production
>  * Setting up a toolserver (cassini) which interested parties can use
> to write tools that use OSM data. And combine it with Wikimedia data
> if they want.
>
> Here's an (outdated!) wiki page with some more info:
>
>    http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/OpenStreetMap
>
> And here's a recent talk I gave at Wikimania discussing the current status:
>
>   http://wikimania2009.wikimedia.org/wiki/Proceedings:143
>
> Until now we only had 1/3 machines active & accessible due to various
> combinations of waiting for hardware, people being busy and it being
> unclear who actually got access to those machines that I won't go
> into.
>
> That one machine was the nascent WMOSM Toolserver Cassini. I set up a
> prototype multilingular rendering (since ptolemy and ortelius weren't
> available at the time) which you can see here:
>
>   http://cassini.toolserver.org/tile-browse/
>
> What we need to to currently is:
>
>  * Admins to set up ptolemy / ortelius so that they replicate the DB /
> mirror tiles
>  * Get interested users/developers to *use* cassini for their tools so
> we can get neat stuff like the multilingular-country-list
> (http://cassini.toolserver.org/~mazder/multilingual-country-list/).
> Sign up here: https://wiki.toolserver.org/view/Account_request
>  * Cassini also needs some admin love
>  * Work on this buglist (and more bugs) to get OSM into Wikipedia:
> http://tinyurl.com/nv2sap
>
> I did most of this on Cassini (see setup notes:
> http://tinyurl.com/mbblj3) but I have limited time on it (especially
> until Christmas) and system administration isn't my strong suit. So
> unless we get other people to help this project is going to go
> *slooowly* and you won't have OSM on Wikipedia until 2010.
>
> Before WM2009 we had the unfortunate problem of interested parties
> needing to do the above not getting access due to the issues above.
> However the machines are up *now* and during WM2009 uncertainties
> about who could grant access were finally solved (brion will be
> dictator).
>
> So, any potential admins for ptolemy and ortelius will have to:
>
>  1. Be qualified & motivated
>
> Preferably someone who's worked with the OSM toolchain or is willing
> to learn. If you're maintaining your own ad-hoc rendering somewhere
> and are running out of server space you'll probably be motivated to
> get this working sooner.
>
>  2. Reveal their name & address to the Wikimedia foundation
>
> That's a requirement Wikimedia requires of all server administrators.
>
>  3. Agree to Wikimedia's privacy policy
>
> URL: http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Privacy_policy
>
> ptolemy and ortelius are otherwise distinct servers on the Wikimedia
> network so this amounts to basically not being silly and running a
> Quake III server on them, or nmap-ing the Internet.
>
> Cassini is more sensitive and harder to gain access to since root
> admins on Cassini have access to private data about Wikimedia users
> (e.g. raw database access, login cookies and so on).
>
> But in both cases we should be able to give elevated non-Unix-root
> privileges. All of this pending approval by Wikimedia of course.
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