[osm-hu] Road Network Improvements in Hungary

[Peter Gervai]

On Thu, Mar 11, 2021 at 5:27 PM ITineris OSM <itineris.osm at gmx.com> wrote:

> A "local mapping guidelines"-eink javarészt magyar nyelven érhetőek el. Ez jó lesz nekik?

(Translation: our local mapping guidelines are available in Hungarian,
would that be good enough for them?)

They are here to help and they have asking the community about local
expected behaviour.
As kissg asked: Bolt - formerly Taxify - is a taxi company, or more precisely:

Bolt offers vehicle for hire, micromobility, and food delivery
services. Bolt is headquartered in Tallinn, Estonia and operates in
over 200 cities in 40 countries in Europe, Africa, Western Asia and
Latin America. The company has 50 million customers globally[3] and
more than 1 million drivers use Bolt platform to offer rides.
Bolt (then called Taxify) was founded by Markus Villig (then only 19
years old, a high-school student) in 2013, with a vision to aggregate
all Tallinn and Riga taxis into one platform. With €5,000 from his
parents, who also helped him by doing customer support outside of
their regular working hours, he hired a developer to help him launch
the business, then called mTakso. The service was launched in August
2013 and in 2014 it went on to foreign shores.
Caen Contee, Co-founder, Lime, left, and Markus Villig, Co-founder &
CEO, Bolt, Web Summit 2018 at the Altice Arena in Lisbon, Portugal.
In 2017, Taxify launched its services in London by acquiring a local
taxi company with a licence to operate, but was forced by Transport
for London to shut down its services.[13][14] The company has filed a
new licence application with plans to reopen services in London.[15]
(Wikipedia)

Since they possibly use online tracking they have lot of tracks of
car-ridable roads, and also they badly need good quality OSM data for
their own purposes, I guess that is the reason that they offer
cooperation.

> Egy kicsit vakarom a fejem, Magyarország mitől került fel a harmadik világbeli listájukra. A mi úthálózatunk lefedettsége szerintem eléggé jónak mondható. Naprakészségben is ott vagyunk, ami az útépítéseket-átadásokat illeti. A kétszámjegyű főutakkal bezárólag 10 méteren belüli pontosságról tudok. Vidéken vannak teljes elcsúszott falvak, de gyanítom, arra ők sem járnak túl sokat. A közterület-neves projekt kapcsán szerintem a residential-ok is kb. teljesnek mondhatók.

> (rough translation: I scratch my head a little bit about what made Hungary on their third world list. I think the coverage of our road network is pretty good. We are also up to date in terms of road construction and handovers. With double-digit main roads, I know the accuracy within 10 meters. There are completely slipped villages in the countryside, but I suspect they don’t go too far either. In connection with the well-known public space project, I think that the residential areas are also approx. can be said to be complete. )

1. My guess is that they cooperate (or about to) in every country they
have customers. Hungary was on their list since our beloved party
state have kicked Uber. It's probably not about third world.
2. I agree that Hungary is pretty well covered in OSM and they
probably can't really do lot of useful things, apart from possibly
uploading tracks for small villages or smaller roads. We can listen to
what they have, how they plan to use it, and how can we mutually
benefit from it.
3. I guess the best possible contribution could be fixing changed road
parameters, like wrong or unmarked one-ways, blocked roads, new
pavings etc.

> Az általuk leírt munkafolyamat persze elfogadható - csak kérdés, a gyakorlatban ez hogyan fog kinézni: a térképezőik mennyire alaposak, kooperatívak, vagy mennyire izomból tolják be az általuk helyesnek vélt módosításaikat. Igen, ez egy "disruptive" cég.
>(translation) The workflow they describe is acceptable, of course - it's just a question of what it will look like in practice: how thorough, cooperative their mappers are, or how much muscle they push in to make the changes they think are correct. Yes, this is a "disruptive" company.

Yes, Hungarian community is pretty firm about proper changes, but I
wouldn't start imagining war and destruction. We shall be clear that
if we observe problems we may ask them to suspend their updates until
we can resolve the problems, and I am sure that's okay with them
(otherwise we would make them banned, and reach the same conclusion
anyway :-)).

> A Wiki lapon említett Facebook-os kontakt az én világnézetemmel ellentétes, cserébe egészséges gyanakvással fogom rajtuk tartani a szemem.
> (translation)The Facebook contact mentioned on the Wiki page is contrary to my worldview, in return I will keep an eye on them with healthy suspicion.

I have asked them on the facebook (where they have connected us first)
to come here and introduce themselves, and they have done just that.
Let's assume good faith, please!

> Magyarországi trackből nekem is rengeteg van ("Kié a nagyobb?"). Sajnos az OSM infrastruktúrája nem alkalmas rá, hogy ezeket nagyüzemileg betoljam.
> (xlation) I also have a lot of Hungarian tracks ("Whose is bigger?"). Unfortunately, the OSM infrastructure is not capable of pushing these on a large scale.

I do not think that this is a race situation. They can tell us what
they have and we can help them in selecting the useful ones. Also
remember that they are no worse than any local _companies_ being
present here. *wink* *wink* *nudge* *nudge*

> Kóstoló kérdésem lenne hozzájuk, hogy az övék vajon utastérben levő mobiltelefonnal készült mérések, vagy külső, aktív antennások.

> (translation) I would like to ask them whether theirs are measurements made with a mobile phone in the passenger compartment or external, active antennas.

Yes, that is a good starting question!


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