[OSM-talk-ie] Inclusion of "Barony of .. as prefix to all Barony names?

[John Kennedy]

Having said all that, I just realised that Counties are name = "County
Kildare" and loc_name = "Kildare". So there is a precedent for the
additional text and "Barony of " seems as justifiable as "County " to
me. I'm happy to adopt whatever the consensus is.

Thanks,
 - John.

PS I know some people who would appreciate visibility on borders for
Municipal Districts -
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Municipal_district_%28Ireland%29. Could
tagging/naming guidelines be proposed for those too?

On 2 December 2014 at 23:39, John Kennedy <jkennedyie at gmail.com> wrote:
> Brian thanks for raising this point - may I broaden it a little?
>
> I too noticed that some mappers include "ED" and "Civil Parish" but
> actually many do not and I haven't noticed any guidance on this
> anywhere for the moment. So it would be good to come to a consensus on
> these terms also.
>
> Thinking about it a bit, I would suggest we try to find a way to
> improve the readability of the map rather than add the extra text to
> the names of CPs, EDs or Baronies inside the OSM database. For
> example, it might be possible for the renderer of the (really helpful)
> slippymap at http://dev3.openstreetmap.ie/osm/slippymap.html to add
> the extra text automatically, or perhaps the fonts / colours /
> hatching could be tweaked.
>
> I suggest approaching it from this point of view so we can stick to
> the OSM convention of capturing the "what" just the once, in the other
> tags only. As well as reducing effort, text, duplication, possibility
> of mistakes, it also allows names to be queried automatically as
> expected. Forgive the ridiculous examples but if somebody wanted to
> analyse how many "things" start with each letter of the alphabet...we
> don't want them to have to write an exception for Irish Baronies so
> that they start at the 11th character (to skip "Barony of "). Or for
> the student who for some reason wants to calculate the average length
> of names of things in OSM, we don't want them to have to subtract 13
> when it comes to length of names of " Civil Parish".
>
> Just my 2 cents. Thanks for listening, and thanks to everyone who is
> contributing to the townlanding project.
>  - John.
>
> On 2 December 2014 at 10:00, Brian Hollinshead <brian at hollinshead.net> wrote:
>> In County Carlow there is Rathvilly Town, and ED and Civil Parish and
>> Barony. Having an interest in Historical boundaries as well as their
>> relevance for genealogy I printed out an A1 map of County Carlow with
>> townlands and Civil parishes and Baronies.
>>
>> Even though the barony names were in a different font size and colour I
>> felt it would be more friendly to anyone reading the map to prefix
>>  Barony of to each barony name where I had not remembered to. I may also
>> have strayed into PJNAs wexford with the same in mind. (Sorry PJ)
>>
>> Maybe we could reach a gentle consensus  as to how to approach this, I look
>> forward to your views. We already include ED  and Civil Parish in their
>> titles. I wonder if we are going to include    Barony of    whether the
>> preset magician Donal can prepopulate the name box? No hardship if he can't.
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