[OSM-talk-ie] Inclusion of "Barony of .. as prefix to all Barony names?

[Rory McCann]

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Hi folks,

I don't really have too strong an opinion on this. If I were doing it
from scratch, I'd prefer to leave out the "Barony of" etc., since as
John points out, it /should/ be deducable from the object.

However, we have had "County" in county names for ages, and many other
places in the world had extra stuff in the "name" tag, so it's not
uncommon.

When working with OSM data though, you *always* have to do some
cleaning up or post-processing or something. So I wouldn't worry about
"people not knowing when the name starts".

Hence I'm going to just leave the names as the mapper mapped them.

Rory

On 03/12/14 19:18, John Kennedy wrote:
> Having said all that, I just realised that Counties are name =
> "County Kildare" and loc_name = "Kildare". So there is a precedent
> for the additional text and "Barony of " seems as justifiable as
> "County " to me. I'm happy to adopt whatever the consensus is.
> 
> Thanks, - John.
> 
> PS I know some people who would appreciate visibility on borders
> for Municipal Districts - 
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Municipal_district_%28Ireland%29.
> Could tagging/naming guidelines be proposed for those too?
> 
> On 2 December 2014 at 23:39, John Kennedy <jkennedyie at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>> Brian thanks for raising this point - may I broaden it a little?
>> 
>> I too noticed that some mappers include "ED" and "Civil Parish"
>> but actually many do not and I haven't noticed any guidance on
>> this anywhere for the moment. So it would be good to come to a
>> consensus on these terms also.
>> 
>> Thinking about it a bit, I would suggest we try to find a way to 
>> improve the readability of the map rather than add the extra text
>> to the names of CPs, EDs or Baronies inside the OSM database.
>> For example, it might be possible for the renderer of the (really
>> helpful) slippymap at
>> http://dev3.openstreetmap.ie/osm/slippymap.html to add the extra
>> text automatically, or perhaps the fonts / colours / hatching
>> could be tweaked.
>> 
>> I suggest approaching it from this point of view so we can stick
>> to the OSM convention of capturing the "what" just the once, in
>> the other tags only. As well as reducing effort, text,
>> duplication, possibility of mistakes, it also allows names to be
>> queried automatically as expected. Forgive the ridiculous
>> examples but if somebody wanted to analyse how many "things"
>> start with each letter of the alphabet...we don't want them to
>> have to write an exception for Irish Baronies so that they start
>> at the 11th character (to skip "Barony of "). Or for the student
>> who for some reason wants to calculate the average length of
>> names of things in OSM, we don't want them to have to subtract
>> 13 when it comes to length of names of " Civil Parish".
>> 
>> Just my 2 cents. Thanks for listening, and thanks to everyone who
>> is contributing to the townlanding project. - John.
>> 
>> On 2 December 2014 at 10:00, Brian Hollinshead
>> <brian at hollinshead.net> wrote:
>>> In County Carlow there is Rathvilly Town, and ED and Civil
>>> Parish and Barony. Having an interest in Historical boundaries
>>> as well as their relevance for genealogy I printed out an A1
>>> map of County Carlow with townlands and Civil parishes and
>>> Baronies.
>>> 
>>> Even though the barony names were in a different font size and
>>> colour I felt it would be more friendly to anyone reading the
>>> map to prefix Barony of to each barony name where I had not
>>> remembered to. I may also have strayed into PJNAs wexford with
>>> the same in mind. (Sorry PJ)
>>> 
>>> Maybe we could reach a gentle consensus  as to how to approach
>>> this, I look forward to your views. We already include ED  and
>>> Civil Parish in their titles. I wonder if we are going to
>>> include    Barony of    whether the preset magician Donal can
>>> prepopulate the name box? No hardship if he can't. 
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