[OSM-talk-ie] Talk-ie Digest, Vol 67, Issue 3

[Brian Prangle]

I don't think the text  Barony or Civil Parish should be added - that
detail is already contained in the relation. This is adding redundancy and
cartographic  clutter. The townlands.ie method of using a check box to add
layers and different colours works well. From what  I can see only the
baronies in Wexford have this added instance. And generations of previous
cartographers and users have managed quite well without!

Regards

Brian

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>    1. Re: Inclusion of "Barony of .. as prefix to all   Barony names?
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> Brian thanks for raising this point - may I broaden it a little?
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> I too noticed that some mappers include "ED" and "Civil Parish" but
> actually many do not and I haven't noticed any guidance on this
> anywhere for the moment. So it would be good to come to a consensus on
> these terms also.
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> Thinking about it a bit, I would suggest we try to find a way to
> improve the readability of the map rather than add the extra text to
> the names of CPs, EDs or Baronies inside the OSM database. For
> example, it might be possible for the renderer of the (really helpful)
> slippymap at http://dev3.openstreetmap.ie/osm/slippymap.html to add
> the extra text automatically, or perhaps the fonts / colours /
> hatching could be tweaked.
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> I suggest approaching it from this point of view so we can stick to
> the OSM convention of capturing the "what" just the once, in the other
> tags only. As well as reducing effort, text, duplication, possibility
> of mistakes, it also allows names to be queried automatically as
> expected. Forgive the ridiculous examples but if somebody wanted to
> analyse how many "things" start with each letter of the alphabet...we
> don't want them to have to write an exception for Irish Baronies so
> that they start at the 11th character (to skip "Barony of "). Or for
> the student who for some reason wants to calculate the average length
> of names of things in OSM, we don't want them to have to subtract 13
> when it comes to length of names of " Civil Parish".
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> Just my 2 cents. Thanks for listening, and thanks to everyone who is
> contributing to the townlanding project.
>  - John.
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> On 2 December 2014 at 10:00, Brian Hollinshead <brian at hollinshead.net>
> wrote:
> > In County Carlow there is Rathvilly Town, and ED and Civil Parish and
> > Barony. Having an interest in Historical boundaries as well as their
> > relevance for genealogy I printed out an A1 map of County Carlow with
> > townlands and Civil parishes and Baronies.
> >
> > Even though the barony names were in a different font size and colour I
> > felt it would be more friendly to anyone reading the map to prefix
> >  Barony of to each barony name where I had not remembered to. I may also
> > have strayed into PJNAs wexford with the same in mind. (Sorry PJ)
> >
> > Maybe we could reach a gentle consensus  as to how to approach this, I
> look
> > forward to your views. We already include ED  and Civil Parish in their
> > titles. I wonder if we are going to include    Barony of    whether the
> > preset magician Donal can prepopulate the name box? No hardship if he
> can't.
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