[OSM-talk-ie] Query on tracing townlands and dealing with changed lake levels and new boundaries

[Killian Driscoll]

Thanks - Inishfale isn't a townland on the GIS layer I have (maybe an error
with that layer?). I wasn't doubting Beggerin was a townland! Just looking
for it: I found it on my GIS layer. I can't see the orig OS maps here
http://maps.openstreetmap.ie/oocmaps.html for the Beggerin Island area. Are
they available?

Killian Driscoll
Banting Postdoctoral Fellow
Département d'anthropologie
Université de Montréal

umontreal.academia.edu/KillianDriscoll
www.lithicsireland.ie
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On 15 May 2015 at 18:25, Donal Diamond <donal.diamond at gmail.com> wrote:

> You can check the online 1901 townland index (there is also a 1911
> supplement at same site) and see Beggerin Island is listed:
>
>
> http://www.histpop.org/ohpr/servlet/PageBrowser?path=Browse/Census%20%28by%20date%29/1901/Ireland&active=yes&mno=453&tocstate=expandnew&display=sections&display=tables&display=pagetitles&pageseq=158
>
> Inishfale/Inisfale is probably a townland as ARP and boundary is listed on
> the map sheets - it must be an omission from the townland indexes?
>
> D
>
>
> D
>
>
> On 15 May 2015 at 22:44, Killian Driscoll <killiandriscoll at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > I can't see the orig OS maps here
> > http://maps.openstreetmap.ie/oocmaps.html
> > for the Beggerin Island area. Are they available?
> >
> > Killian Driscoll
> > Banting Postdoctoral Fellow
> > Département d'anthropologie
> > Université de Montréal
> >
> > umontreal.academia.edu/KillianDriscoll
> > www.lithicsireland.ie
> > ca.linkedin.com/in/killiandriscoll
> >
> > On 15 May 2015 at 17:36, Killian Driscoll <killiandriscoll at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > I guess the point is 'Inishfale Island' was never an official townland
> > (at
> > > least the name doesn't turn up on the online databases, I don't have
> > access
> > > to the print copy): the sites and monuments record uses 'Inisfale
> Island'
> > > as the name. Is/was Beggerin Island a townland?
> > >
> > > Killian Driscoll
> > > Banting Postdoctoral Fellow
> > > Département d'anthropologie
> > > Université de Montréal
> > >
> > > umontreal.academia.edu/KillianDriscoll
> > > www.lithicsireland.ie
> > > ca.linkedin.com/in/killiandriscoll
> > >
> > > On 15 May 2015 at 17:25, Donal Diamond <donal.diamond at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > >
> > >> On 15 May 2015 at 20:49, Killian Driscoll <killiandriscoll at gmail.com>
> > >> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> >
> > >> > At the SW side of Lough Allen the pre-drainage scheme lake level
> > >> contained
> > >> > an island called Inishfale Island with the townland of Derrynadooey
> to
> > >> the
> > >> > west. This contains a national monument RO002-028 (
> > >> > http://webgis.archaeology.ie/NationalMonuments/FlexViewer/) which
> is
> > >> > listed
> > >> > as townland: Inishfale Island; you can see that the map the national
> > >> > monuments is using respects the pre-drainage shoreline townland
> > outline.
> > >> > The traced townland on the osm
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >>
> >
> http://www.openstreetmap.org/?mlat=54.0715&mlon=-8.0517#map=16/54.0715/-8.0517
> > >> > of Derrnadooey now subsumes Inishfale Island, so the official sites
> > and
> > >> > monuments record (which was incorrect, as there is no such townland
> as
> > >> > Insihfale Island) now conflicts with the townland name provided by
> > osm.
> > >> >
> > >>
> > >> This is resolvable  -  the island still exists as a townland.
> > >>
> > >> What you do is:
> > >>
> > >> 1) Create 'Inishfale Island' townland as normal (with way(s) as role
> > >> outer)
> > >> 2) add the way(s) of 'Inishfale Island' to Derrnadooey with role
> inner,
> > >> this creates a hole in Derrnadooey
> > >>
> > >> For example here's Beggerin Island which was an island before
> drainage
> > >> created the Slobs in Wexford
> > >>
> > >> http://www.townlands.ie/wexford/shelmaliere-east/north-west-slob/
> > >> http://www.townlands.ie/wexford/shelmaliere-east/beggerin-island/
> > >>
> > >> Hope this helps
> > >>
> > >> D
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