[OSM-talk-ie] Bar v pub

[Colm Donoghue]

I'd say most pubs (public houses) in Ireland would have a bar and a
lounge(both rooms)

But even still the lounge would have a bar(a counter)where you ordered
drinks

Or I was told the bar was the brass bar often placed on the customer side
of the counter

The 2 harbour bars I drink in have a lounge also.

It's very fluid and ambiguous


Colm

On Thu, 22 Jun 2017, 13:51 Alan Grant, <alangrant72 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Let me start by introducing myself as I have not posted on talk-ie before.
> I am Irish but live abroad and generally follow the Spanish (talk-es)
> mailing list.
>
> There is a rather intense debate taking place at the moment on talk-es (31
> posts and still going) about whether a typical Spanish neighbourhood bar
> should be tagged as amenity=bar, pub, or cafe. Some participants seem to
> assume that the bar-pub distinction is clearly defined in English (and
> specifically in the English OSM wiki) and that the issue is how to map that
> distinction to Spain.
>
> I am posting here because I wondered about whether Irish mappers do in fact
> think this distinction is well-defined and useful. It seems to me that in
> Ireland at least we often use "pub" and "bar" almost interchangeably -
> hence pub names such as "The Harbour Bar". Looking at the wiki some of the
> criteria seem rather vague or of doubtful relevance - should it matter to
> the definition of an amenity if the building that houses it happens to be
> modern or purpose-built? What about the suggestion that food is normally
> available in pubs - I seem to remember that when I was young many pubs
> served little more in the way of food than packets of crisps, does that
> mean they were then bars but have become pubs as they diversified into
> serving food to the lunchtime crowd?
>
> From taginfo the pub tag vastly outnumbers the bar tag in Ireland. Looking
> at places tagged as bar, many of them do not seem much different to their
> neighbours tagged as pubs as far as I can see.
>
> I suppose I am really asking out of curiosity rather than with any definite
> aim, but any thoughts would be welcome.
>
> Alan
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