[OSM-talk-ie] OSM Ireland chapter - reboot
John Ronan
jpronans at gmail.com
Tue Sep 12 07:59:54 UTC 2017
I would be interesting in attending as well (From Waterford). If I can
at all. It would be good to put faces to the names.
Regards
John
On 11/09/17 21:57, Donal Hunt wrote:
> I'm certainly interested in attending (based in Cork, Ireland) so need some
> leadtime and ability to travel up for it. Either Saturday seems good right
> now.
> Thanks!
>
> Donal
>
> On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 8:22 PM, Dave Corley <davecorley at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Much appreciated folks.
>>
>> Can you let me know when the formal approval is given. I'll set up a ticket
>> booth to track numbers then.
>>
>> Thanks again,
>> Dave
>>
>> On 11 Sep 2017 20:08, "Tadeusz Cantwell" <t4dc4n at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> As a member of Tog I can come in early on the 21st to open up and put my
>>> name down to host the event.
>>> Tad
>>>
>>> On 11 September 2017 at 13:39, Dave Corley <davecorley at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Jeffrey,
>>>>
>>>> A 4pm finish might not be a bad idea especially for those traveling.
>>> Would
>>>> it be possible to start earlier? Say 10 or 11? I'm just mindful that
>>> there
>>>> will be a lot of things to go through and I would like to leave time
>> for
>>>> discussions. On the other hand, I don't want to inconvenience you (or
>>>> other Tog members) too much as you are doing us a favour.
>>>>
>>>> Dave
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 12:59 PM, Jeffrey Roe <tdr112 at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>>>> There is an internal event on the 21st that starts at 4pm. So you
>>>>> would need to finish up then or run it on the 14th.
>>>>> An event takes 5 days for Tog to approve and you need a member to
>> host
>>>>> you. I could possible do the 21st but you would need someone else to
>>>>> host if you wanted the 14th.
>>>>> Jeffrey Roe,
>>>>> www.tog.ie
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 11 September 2017 at 10:41, Dave Corley <davecorley at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Rounding back on this again. Between the responses on the mail
>> list,
>>>>>> Facebook and previous surveys, the general consensus is to go ahead
>>>> with
>>>>>> this.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Martin, sorry for not replying to you earlier, but I wanted to stay
>>>> quiet
>>>>>> and see what others thought first. To your point, yes, its possible
>>> to
>>>> do
>>>>>> everything I stated outside of a formal body, but given we are an
>>>>> informal
>>>>>> grouping of similarly minded folks for over a decade and
>>> organisational
>>>>>> interest/involvement is decreasing rather than increasing, I think
>>> its
>>>>>> necessary to do this if we are to ever become "more". Your comment
>>>> about
>>>>>> there being a functioning group is bang on the money too. Right
>> now I
>>>>> feel
>>>>>> there is such a thing, and the infrastructure is more or less in
>>> place
>>>> (
>>>>> we
>>>>>> are starting in a much better position than our UK counterparts).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That being said, after the original survey questions a year ago,
>> the
>>>> mail
>>>>>> list and facebook responses and some private feedback, I think, as
>>>> usual,
>>>>>> the distance factor is the biggest hurdle. With that in mind I
>> think
>>>> its
>>>>>> best to change from a series of meetings on the subject, to a
>> single
>>>> one,
>>>>>> where several of us come together and blitz the main items:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> - Constitution
>>>>>> - Memorandum of association
>>>>>> - Articles of association
>>>>>> - Interim board
>>>>>> - etc etc
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What I looking to achieve is to get to a point where we are 90% of
>>> the
>>>>> way
>>>>>> there. Afterwards, everything achieved would be put up online for
>>>>> feedback,
>>>>>> comment and to close out any remaining items.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm hoping a single session of 5-6 hours should be good enough for
>>>> this,
>>>>>> say from 12-5/6 on a Saturday. I'm hoping that by limiting this to
>> a
>>>>> single
>>>>>> day, to get a much larger group to participate.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In order to keep things moving through the day, I'm going to try
>>>> organise
>>>>>> some sponsorship of refreshments.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Would the Tog folks on this list know if Tog is available on a
>>> Saturday
>>>>> in
>>>>>> Oct? Say the 14th or 21st. If not, I'll try sort something else.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Once a date and location is set, I'll set up an invite page, just
>> to
>>> be
>>>>>> able to track numbers attending in the event I get sponsorship for
>>>>>> refreshments.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Dave
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, Aug 15, 2017 at 8:57 AM, Rory McCann <rory at technomancy.org
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> I agree with Dave, it would be good to get a formal OSM body set
>> up.
>>>>>>> Yes, for doing more mapping events, you don't need a formal body,
>>> but
>>>>>>> you do it you want to be an OSMF local chapter, and I suspect it
>>> would
>>>>>>> be easier to talk to government bodies (or big orgs) if you're
>> from
>>> an
>>>>>>> official body.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And who knows, setting it up might be kick up the arse for some of
>>> us!
>>>>>>> Since I'm in Germany, I can't come to any of the events. 😞😞😞
>> But
>>>> I'll
>>>>>>> help how I can... I was involved with setting up TOG, which was
>>>>>>> originally an unincorporated association (don't do that!) and is
>>> now a
>>>>>>> DAC (designed activity company(?))
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 14/08/17 03:52, Dave Corley wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> First, I want to apologise, this is a long email, but if you are
>> at
>>>> all
>>>>>>>> interested in moving OSM in Ireland to the next level, please
>> read
>>> on
>>>>> and
>>>>>>>> give your feedback when you're done.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Efforts to get the OSM Ireland group set up as a legal entity and
>>>>>>>> established as a recognised chapter have never really got out of
>>> the
>>>>>>>> starting blocks for us, mainly because it's an exceptionally
>> long,
>>>>> boring
>>>>>>>> process to get it all done.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Back when Rory gave the Townlands presentation at a Sotm or two
>>> ago,
>>>> I
>>>>>>>> contacted everyone who took part and asked a number of questions
>> to
>>>>> allow
>>>>>>>> for some stats to be included in the presentation. I asked a few
>>>>> questions
>>>>>>>> specifically around the topic of setting something up properly.
>> If
>>> I
>>>>>>>> recall
>>>>>>>> correctly, all but one were interested in joining an official OSM
>>>>> Ireland,
>>>>>>>> but less than half wanted to be involved in setting it up. But
>> that
>>>>> ratio
>>>>>>>> is to be expected. If I'm honest, it was a lot higher than I
>>>> originally
>>>>>>>> expected.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> What I would love to see is a functioning OSM Ireland body which,
>>> at
>>>> an
>>>>>>>> absolute minimum, could do the following
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> - Scheduling regular meet up's - These would have some
>>>> organisation
>>>>>>>> around them e.g. guest speakers, break out groups, objectives
>>>> etc.
>>>>>>>> This
>>>>>>>> could be monthly, bi-monthly or quarterly, doesn't matter,
>> just
>>>>> even
>>>>>>>> setting up a schedule and sticking to it would be a great
>>>>> achievement
>>>>>>>> - Work on increasing the qty of daily contributors - Some
>>> simple
>>>>>>>> things
>>>>>>>> like automating messages to first time mappers, or a tool to
>>>> ensure
>>>>>>>> every
>>>>>>>> new contributor's edits are reviewed for accuracy/vandalism
>>> etc.
>>>>>>>> Basically,
>>>>>>>> just setting up some structure around it to ensure we engage
>>> with
>>>>> new
>>>>>>>> folks
>>>>>>>> in the most efficient and effective ways possible. I see no
>>>> reason
>>>>>>>> why a
>>>>>>>> number of 50 a day shouldn't be achievable within an 18 month
>>>>> period
>>>>>>>> if
>>>>>>>> this is done right.
>>>>>>>> - Setting up an Import strategy - There is an ever growing
>> pool
>>>> of
>>>>>>>> open
>>>>>>>> data being released. To make full use of it is going to
>>> require a
>>>>>>>> signficant body of up-front work (selecting, categorising,
>>>>>>>> prioritising,
>>>>>>>> tools and import process).
>>>>>>>> - Lining up other, structured, mapping tasks - For example
>>> doing
>>>> a
>>>>> 1
>>>>>>>> month blitz on lane mapping, or a 3 month clean-up of errors
>>>> using
>>>>>>>> Osmi or
>>>>>>>> keepright etc etc etc. We did this with the enormous townland
>>>>> mapping
>>>>>>>> project. Smaller scale versions, with a little work, could
>>> have a
>>>>>>>> real,
>>>>>>>> lasting impact on the map
>>>>>>>> - Commiting to organising a State of the Map yearly. This
>>> doesn't
>>>>> need
>>>>>>>> to have a load of bells and whistles, hell, year one would
>>> likely
>>>>> be
>>>>>>>> one
>>>>>>>> day, but it has to be possible to get a 2 day conference
>> going
>>>>> within
>>>>>>>> 2
>>>>>>>> years, whatever format it may take (barcamp, unconference
>> etc).
>>>>>>>> There's
>>>>>>>> enough going on now between mappers, govt, commercial and
>>>> academic
>>>>>>>> folks
>>>>>>>> that is easily within reach.
>>>>>>>> - Lastly, getting out of Dublin. I know Dublin has the
>> biggest
>>>>>>>> population of mappers, but what about having the meetup in a
>>>>> location
>>>>>>>> outside of Dub once or twice a year. Or there could be a
>> night
>>>> away
>>>>>>>> where
>>>>>>>> we do a load of ground work on the basemap first, then hit
>> the
>>>>> ground
>>>>>>>> in a
>>>>>>>> town and get every street name, address, business and
>>> attraction
>>>>> all
>>>>>>>> in one
>>>>>>>> day, then meet back somewhere, have a bite to eat and a few
>>>> drinks.
>>>>>>>> In my head, I'm seeing each of those things needing 2-3 people to
>>>> work
>>>>> on
>>>>>>>> them, i.e. working groups, to ensure nobody gets left holding the
>>> bag
>>>>> and
>>>>>>>> to avoid burnout.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Now, I'd like to say, all of the above is purely what *I* think
>> OSM
>>>>>>>> Ireland
>>>>>>>> should be about. Others may feel differently, and that's totally
>>>> fine.
>>>>>>>> It's
>>>>>>>> kind of the point of this email :)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> With all of that in mind, to get us formally set up, what I am
>>>>> proposing
>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>> the following
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 1. A meeting in early Sept (the 2nd or the 9th) where we will
>> come
>>>>>>>> together to hammer out a lot of the basics of setting up OSM
>>> Ireland.
>>>>>>>> Note,
>>>>>>>> this will involve people coming together, agreeing on the
>> structure
>>>>> and,
>>>>>>>> most importantly, some people agreeing to take some work e.g.
>>>> research
>>>>>>>> whats involved in setting up a bank account, what are the legal
>>>>>>>> requirements, how will we manage membership, etc etc
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 2. A second meeting in early Oct where the majority of the
>>> structure
>>>> is
>>>>>>>> locked down. Work to start on Articles of Association etc if
>>> required
>>>>> at
>>>>>>>> this point. Again, some people would need to agree to take on
>> some
>>>>> tasks
>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>> keep the process moving.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 3. A third meeting in Nov and a fourth in Dec, to lock down any
>>> last
>>>>>>>> elements. At this point we would need to agree a provisional
>> board
>>>>>>>> probably, to allow for paperwork to proceed for banks, govt. etc.
>>>> Note,
>>>>>>>> this board would step down at the first general meeting of OSM
>>>> Ireland
>>>>> and
>>>>>>>> elections would be held at that first meeting.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 4. Jan, get all the paperwork sent to whoever
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 5. TBD, once paperwork is approved by relevant bodies, agenda for
>>>> first
>>>>>>>> general meeting to be determined and election process to begin
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> There you go. With a bit of luck, before the next round of green
>>>>>>>> milkshakes
>>>>>>>> hits McDonalds, we would be a formal entity and we could start
>>>> talking
>>>>>>>> about moving to the next stage, which would be completing the
>> OSMF
>>>>> chapter
>>>>>>>> application, not to mention any other objectives we might have.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> So, who's in?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Dave
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