[Talk-in] Classifying places - cities, towns and villages

Arun Ganesh arun.planemad at gmail.com
Mon May 14 20:55:06 BST 2012

On Sun, May 13, 2012 at 2:08 PM, I Chengappa <imchengappa at gmail.com> wrote:
> Can you point me to the definition of a city in the MDDS designations
> because I cannot find it?

This is what the http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/India:Places proposal
is about. It is the local body type > place= value mapping that we need to
discuss and decide. And that will solve any further confusion.

> Can we agree that if any such designation is changed from an existing one,
> that the justification should be included. Again I would ask that you
> consider using a tag. Census2011;town or similar, which would deal with all
> such issues without a problem.
I still do not see how using a census tag will solve the primary problem of
which place= tag to use. If I understand correctly this is the guidelines
you want to use?
City: Any UA with more than 100,000 population
Town: 10,000 - 100,000 people
Village: Below 10,000
Hamlet: ?
Suburb: ?

If you have proper definitions for how all the tags should be used for
India please make it clear. There is no point debating over an incomplete
tagging proposal.

> Also, I see that Mandya has a new tag/value of admin_level=5?
This is for indicating that it is an district headquarter.

> Thanks, indigomc
> On 11 May 2012 06:22, Arun Ganesh <arun.planemad at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Indigomc, let me recap, because we are going in circles:
>> What should not be done is to divert a generally understood global
>>> designation such as 'city' that already has the neutral population
>>> definition.
>> The so called global definition of a city on the osm wiki has been
>> arbitrarily defined and has no basis or credibility.
>> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:place%3Dcity
>> Especially to change it to correspond to a mixture of regional government
>>> designations that may change.  Do people in Mandya believe that Cambridge
>>> is more important than their 'town'?
>> There will arise cases in future where a person from a village, may want
>> his place to be marked as a town or a city because he feels its important.
>> It is therefore important to have a clear definition which links official
>> classification of the place to osm tags and is not ambiguous.
>>> As to the suggestion that the government has an 'official system',
>>> please document where this policy is stated and how it is being implemented.
>> The census 2011 has an official and exhaustive list of populated places
>> with the classification of the local governing body. It has also
>> established a system of unique e-governance code for every place
>> (urban+rural) which is now the standard for future e governance services.
>> This is the best reference document available to date which records the
>> nature and size of every place in the country.
>>  http://censusindia.gov.in/2011census/MDDS_Directory.aspx
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MDDS
>>>  A standard used by the census and not used by the state governments or
>>> in general usage is just that, of use for the census and nothing else.
>>> The census is a collection of recorded facts, if it says Pune is a
>> municipal corporation, then it is a municipal corporation. It is a central
>> document which plays a vital role in the planning of essential services for
>> the next ten years. I would rather have places classified according to the
>> census, than an arbitrary definition of a mapper sitting in Europe who
>> thinks that 100,000 is a good number for a place to be called a city.
>> --
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