[Talk-in] Multilingual name tagging convention in India

Arun Ganesh arun.planemad at gmail.com
Thu Jul 14 10:29:54 UTC 2016


Moved some old instructions for setting up a tileserver that Johnson wrote
to https://github.com/osm-in/tileserver

Anyone interested in setting up a custom tileserver with Indic language
rendering, please feel free to expand.

On Thu, Jul 14, 2016 at 12:16 AM, Chetan H A <chetanha91 at gmail.com> wrote:

> I totally agree to follow current convention we have now. Multilingual
> names can't be supported in India. We have 22 official languages in India
> and If every language names were added with English names will clutter the
> map. It's good to add separately using " name:lang=* " tag.
> http://taginfo.openstreetmap.in/search?q=name%3A
>
> Best,
> Chethan
>
> On Tue, Jul 12, 2016 at 4:23 PM, Arun Ganesh <arun.planemad at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Not having map tiles available for the various languages is definitely a
>> problem, which motivates one to tag in such a way just so that the local
>> name is visible. Efforts to create an Indic language tileserver have not
>> really taken off, and probably this is what we should reconsider with more
>> seriousness.
>>
>> Experiments so far:
>> - http://openstreetmap.in/demo.html
>> <http://openstreetmap.in/demo.html#9.99/13.9372/75.6525> which is a
>> little futuristic but very flexible for as many languages as possible. One
>> blocker is that complex text shaping to render Indic scripts correctly is
>> unknown when this will happen
>> https://github.com/osm-in/openstreetmap.in/issues/14#issuecomment-193619651
>> - http://mlm.jochentopf.com looks like a good experiment worth
>> replicating, but there are not much details on how it was done
>> - http://yogiks.github.io/osm-kn/map/ World Kannada map made by Yogesh.
>> At the moment probably the most practical approach.
>>
>> If we have a regularly updated working demo of Indic language tiles for
>> the major languages, this could better demonstrate the practical
>> application of using the name tags correctly. Anyone have other experiments
>> to share?
>>
>> On Tue, Jul 12, 2016 at 2:14 PM, Yogesh K S <yogesh at itforchange.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I too agree with keeping the current convention of name tags for
>>> multilingual names. Belgium has just two languages and in context of our
>>> regional languages, first mapper rule can create conflicts as Arun
>>> indicated previously. Perhaps we should try to improve the current state of
>>> multilingual names in India -
>>> http://taginfo.openstreetmap.in/search?q=name%3A
>>>
>>> cheers,
>>> yogi
>>>
>>>
>>> On 07/05/2016 06:19 PM, I Chengappa wrote:
>>>
>>> It would help greatly if mappers could see names in other languages on a
>>> rendered map. I see that the demo, for instance at
>>> http://openstreetmap.in/demo.html#9.99/13.9372/75.6525 is still just a
>>> demo.
>>>
>>> On 5 July 2016 at 07:19, Srravya C <srravya.c at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Found a little more about this topic in a discussion here
>>>> <http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:WikiProject_India#Use_English_for_the_.22name.22_tag>.
>>>> We could put the details about multilingual naming for India in this
>>>> page <http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Multilingual_names>. So that
>>>> anybody referring to this page in the future for naming convention, will
>>>> get an idea about existing conventions followed for India.
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Jul 5, 2016 at 8:44 AM, Thejesh GN < <i at thejeshgn.com>
>>>> i at thejeshgn.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I think the existing convention works really well. Use name tag for
>>>>> latin script and specific language tag for that language names. I think
>>>>> this makes it easy to work and also divide work.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Jul 4, 2016 11:34 PM, "Arun Ganesh" <arun.planemad at gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Bringing this up since there are recent edits adding multilingual
>>>>>> labels to the `name` tag [1][2].
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The current convention that has been followed is to use `name` for
>>>>>> the local name in latin script. The reasoning if I remember was two fold:
>>>>>> - English being one of the official languages, latin script is widely
>>>>>> used in cities and in public signages in smaller towns. Only in villages it
>>>>>> is uncommon.
>>>>>> - Keeping the tagging convention simple[3], that could be used
>>>>>> throughout the country in a standard way
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Keeping just one name in each tag, we have been able to avoid issues
>>>>>> like the first mapper rule[4] that could cause unnecessary regional
>>>>>> conflicts over ordering of scripts like in Belgium (and they have just two
>>>>>> languages).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Since we can add the regional names in their own name:lang tag, no
>>>>>> data is ultimately lost, and it is upto the data consumer to choose which
>>>>>> language to support for the user.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Would be great to hear positives and negatives of this approach and
>>>>>> how it benefits the public Is it time to revise this convention to be more
>>>>>> regional rather than national?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> [1] http://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/40472998
>>>>>> [2] http://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/40479683
>>>>>> [3]
>>>>>> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_India#Naming_in_different_scripts_and_languages
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Arun Ganesh
>>>>>> @planemad
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