[Talk-in] OSM and New Indian Geospatial Guidelines

[Mateusz Konieczny]

Is it necessary to cross all thresholds to qualify? If yes, then
law is badly written and OSM is safe.

If crossing any threshold is a problem?
Then congratulations, in mapping aspects your laws descends to level of China.

And this laws will be treated like
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Restrictions_on_geographic_data_in_China

In other words: ignored by OSMF, and mapers in general but mapping in OSM
by people within reach of Indian state may be dangerous proceed on your risk.

I guess that I should add India to list of countries with evil laws 
that I have personally broken so I should never visit it.

Note that damaging OSM data so it will become less accurate than criteria
mentioned there is a vandalism and must not be done, and should be 
reverted.

I would also suggest voting for a different politicians, if anyone reading this
voted for people who introduced this.

Aug 16, 2022, 15:30 by kandimalla.sreeram at gmail.com:

> These are the new geospatial guidelines - > https://www.surveyofindia.gov.in/documents/uploads/document-49301-New%20Guidelines%20on%20Geospatial%20Data.pdf
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> These are the relevant sections - 
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> iv. (a) For the purposes of these guidelines, the threshold value for:
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> 1. On-site spatial accuracy shall be one meter for horizontal or Planimetry and three meters for vertical or Elevation.
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> 2. Gravity anomaly shall be 1 milli-gal.
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> 3. Vertical accuracy of Bathymetric data in Territorial Waters shall be 10 meters for up to 500 meters from the shore-line and 100 meters beyond that.
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> vii. Maps/Geospatial Data of spatial accuracy/value finer than the thresholdvalue can only be created and/or owned by Indian Entities and must bestored and processed in India.
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> viii. Foreign companies and foreign owned or controlled Indian companies canlicense from Indian Entities digital Maps/Geospatial Data of spatialaccuracy/value finer than the threshold value only for the purpose ofserving their customers in India. Access to such Maps/Geospatial Datashall only be made available through APIs that do not allowMaps/Geospatial Data to pass through Licensee Company or its servers.Re-use or resale of such map data by licensees shall be prohibited.
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> On Tue, Aug 16, 2022 at 6:45 PM Mateusz Konieczny via Talk-in <> talk-in at openstreetmap.org> > wrote:
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>> Aug 16, 2022, 14:58 by >> kandimalla.sreeram at gmail.com>> :
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>>>        b) They were clear that they were immune under UK law? 
>>>
>> India has no jurisdiction in Poland or UK.
>>
>> Russia cannot sue me for violating their censorship laws (or at least they cannot
>> enforce it, unless they would send FSB to assassinate or kidnap me).
>>
>> In the same way Indian government cannot enforce their censorship laws on
>> me or OSMF.
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>>> 2. Is OSM aware of the New Indian Geospatial Guidelines?
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>> Probably no if you mean OSM community in general.
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>>>        a) If it does put OSM on the wrong side of Indian law, would OSM care to make adjustments to comply with Indian law and become legal in India, given that the adjustments needed are minor
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>> What exactly changes would be needed?
>> If it requires placing border not at its de facto location but at place demanded by
>> India or Pakistan: not going to happen.
>> If it is about mapping Indian/Pakistan claims: so people tried mapping disputed
>> boundaries, this idea is disputed but not a clear no go.
>> If it requires rendering Indian claim instead of de facto border on >> osm.org <http://osm.org>>>  by default
>> for everyone: this is not going to happen.
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>>> ( This is where the Indian OSM veterans I have spoken to were saying that OSM won't
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>> They are likely right, see
>> https://wiki.osmfoundation.org/w/images/d/d8/DisputedTerritoriesInformation.pdf
>> for OSMF position.
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>>>        b) If we are on the wrong side of Indian law and OSM says they don't care.. Wouldn't it be the ethically right thing to do to put it up in >>> bold >>> on the OSM India wiki page that you are about to break Indian law by entering data here.
>>>
>> Are you sure that applies to editors not mapping national border of India?
>> And yes, it makes sense to give such warning if Indian government is enacting
>> this type of laws. Just it should be accurate.
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