[Talk-it-piemonte] Open Data Piemonte e Torino

[Kay F. Jahnke]

On 14.11.2012 10:46, Andrea Musuruane wrote:
> On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 10:25 AM, Kay F. Jahnke <_kfj at yahoo.com 
> <mailto:_kfj at yahoo.com>> wrote:
>
>     On 14.11.2012 09:26, Maurizio Daniele wrote:
>>
>>     A proposito di WMS e opendata (vedi mail sul mapping party), il
>>     Piemonte tutto e la città di Torino in particolare hanno una
>>     massa enorme di dati pubblicati open
>
>     It's true that these data are open in the sense that everyone can
>     access them and work with them. But
>
>>     e integrabili in OSM
>
>     ?? The CC-BY license (here taken from the Torino data) states
>     clearly that:
>
>     **** begin quote
>
>     Il fruitore, in caso di riproduzione o pubblicazione di
>     elaborazioni contenenti informazioni reperite sul Geoportale della
>     Città, ha l'obbligo di rispettare i vincoli previsti dalla
>     licenza, segnalando la proprietà dei dati riportando la seguente
>     frase:
>
>     /"Base cartografica realizzata da [Licenziatario], integrata con
>     [Livelli informativi o Servizi][data] della Città di Torino
>     reperiti sul Geoportale del Comune di Torino"
>     /
>     **** end quote
>
> IANAL but to be compliant with the CC-BY license you can simply add 
> the source to this page:
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Contributors
>
> There is no additional requirement and moreover there is no need to 
> contact upstream about this. As you can see in the same page there are 
> many other sources originally licensed under the CC-BY license.
>
> The odd thing is that the Municipality of Turin also add this 
> statement - which IMHO is not compatible with the CC-BY license:
> /"Una copia in formato shape di qualunque elaborazione contenente dati 
> della Città deve essere inviata all'indirizzo di posta elettronica 
> geoportale at comune.torino.it <mailto:geoportale at comune.torino.it>, 
> oppure all'indirizzo: [...]"
> /

/This comes with the CTRN data as well. When I made my GPS map, I 
discussed this requirement with dati.piemonte.it, and they were 
satisfied with being given a link to where the map is online.

/
>
> The use of PCN areal images is a total different case and they are not 
> licensed under CC-BY or any other open license.

I was using this as an example. The need for direct attribution is 
stated explicitly in the licensing texts coming with the data, and is 
also central to the CC-BY license (that's the BY in it) - I don't really 
believe that the method you propose - to simpy put them on the 
contributors page - is sufficient. OSM has to be very careful about 
these things! We can't afford to have legal trouble with government 
bodies. Are you certain about this issue?

Any lawyers out there who can help?

See also

https://help.openstreetmap.org/questions/4936/import-into-openstreetmap
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Import/Guidelines

(sorry all of this is in english...)

Kay
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