[OSM-ja] [OSM-talk] CJK fallback fonts - testing needed

[Douglas Perkins]

On 01/12/2014 02:56 PM, Satoshi IIDA wrote:
>
> Thank you, Paul.
>
> IMHO, "Droid Sans Fallback" is better.
> but I don't know detailed (well known) errors of between CJK fonts.
>

I agree. To my eyes, Droid Sans Fallback is better. Some of the smaller
pieces of kanji are easier to read using it.

-douglas

> > Talk-ja guys
> Please feel free to comment on here.
> (Using Japanese language is OK :) )
>
> Summarized translation of Paul's messages are following.
>
> ==
> To Talk-ja のかたがた
>
> - 現在OSM.orgでは、DejaVu fontに含まれていない日本語・中国語・韓国語の
> 文字を表示するために、Unifont が使用されています
> - Unifontはすべての文字をカバーするために作られていますが、見た目はあ
> まり良くありません
>
> - 現在、Droid Sans Fallbackという、Android用に作られたフリーフォントを
> 見つけています
> - "Unifont" と "Droid Sans Fallback"のどちらのほうがよいか、フィード
> バックがほしいと思っています
> - 表示テスト用のサーバを用意したので、見た目をチェックできます
> http://tile.paulnorman.ca/demo/fonts.html
> - あまり強力なサーバではないので、表示に時間がかかります。
> - 画面右上から、タイルの変更が可能です。
> - "openstreetmap.org <http://openstreetmap.org>" = Unifont 、 "Droid
> Fallback" = Droid Sans になります。
> - Paulさん自身はこれらの文字を読めないので、みなさんの手を貸していただ
> きたい。
>
> ==
> いいだ個人的としてはDroidのほうが綺麗だと思うのですが、
> 1つのコードで複数の文字に対応しているものがあった気がしていて(うろ覚え)、
> その文字がどういう表示になるかを気にしています。
> (中国語も、繁體字(zh-tw)と簡体字(zh-cn)がありますし)
>
> 「こちらのフォントのほうが良い」あるいは「もっとよいフォントがある」な
> どの情報をお持ちの方は教えていただけると嬉しいです
> 返信は日本語でも大丈夫です。
>
>
>
>
> 2014/1/12 Paul Norman <penorman at mac.com <mailto:penorman at mac.com>>
>
>     Right now the main OpenStreetMap.org stylesheet uses Unifont as a
>     fallback font to render Chinese, Japanese and Korean (CJK) characters,
>     as well as any other characters not present in the DejaVu font.
>     Unifont
>     is mainly designed to support all characters, and is not designed to
>     look good.
>
>     I'm looking at Droid Sans Fallback, a free font developed for Android,
>     and evaluating if it would be a better fallback font than Unifont.
>     Because I don't read Chinese, Japanese or Korean, I could use help.
>
>     I have prepared a demo at
>     http://tile.paulnorman.ca/demo/fonts.html with
>     three layers: conventional OSM.org, tiles without any fallback
>     font, and
>     tiles using Droid Fallback as a fallback font.
>
>     What I would like is for people to look at the difference between the
>     conventional OSM.org and Droid Fallback tiles and see which is
>     easier to
>     read for the CJK glyphs. The tiles without any fallback font can
>     be used
>     to find areas where DejaVu doesn't have glyphs and the fallback
>     font is
>     being used.
>
>     Some examples
>
>     Japanese cities:
>     http://tile.paulnorman.ca/demo/fonts.html#9/35.443/138.247
>
>     Japanese train stations:
>     http://tile.paulnorman.ca/demo/fonts.html#16/36.415/139.325
>
>     Korean cities:
>     http://tile.paulnorman.ca/demo/fonts.html#9/37.25/127.22
>
>     Chinese tourist attraction:
>     http://tile.paulnorman.ca/demo/fonts.html#15/39.94/116.48
>
>     Please keep in mind that
>
>     - My server is not nearly as powerful as tile.osm.org
>     <http://tile.osm.org>, so renders slower
>     and has less cached data
>     - Only Asia is loaded on my server
>     - The data is a couple of days old and isn't being updated
>
>     I would like some feedback on if Unifont or Droid Sans Fallback looks
>     better. Please keep in mind that I don't read the languages being
>     rendered.
>
>
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>
>
> -- 
> Satoshi IIDA
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